Vettel should have waited... :-(

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I am sure that he would have been offered a better ride for next year if he would have waited...

The only saving grace is that since RBR runs the Renault engine, and possibly their KERS system, Vettel may be driving a Newey Rocket with Renault power designed by Renault to guarantee Alonso a competitive car.

I still think BMW may have taken a stab at him and possibly Toyota.

This just ups Sutil's value now...

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Vettel has a long term contract with Red Bull since 2000. BMW also has some claim on him and they had to let him go. So unless a team pays him and Red Bull he is not available. I believe some compromise was worked out between Red Bull and BMW which may see him go back to the propeller boys in 2010 which is probably a year prior to the original contract. This is also when Nick's contract expirers.

So my impression is that Seb will eventually drive a BMW against Nico in a Merc. Although there is denial Nico and Keke's patience with Williams is running out.
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WhiteBlue wrote:So my impression is that Seb will eventually drive a BMW against Nico in a Merc. Although there is denial Nico and Keke's patience with Williams is running out.

I agree with you on the "patience issue" but see Nico at Ferrari. Nico is technically adept, soft spoken, not a petulant child, a sacrificial team player, very fast, still young and malleable. Fernando, while he is doubtless fast and championship stock, is just not compliant enough to fit in at Ferrari. They don't want personality conflicts. Their best days were when they dumped Irvine for Rubens. That should tell you something. Fernando should make the best of it at Renault. I know BMW would never sign him either. Thiessen's experience with Ralf is enough to steer him away from someone who has even a hint of a primadonna complex and who acts like a spoiled child. That is why he likes Nick because Heidfeld knows how to sacrifice quietly. With Robert, Mario has his Michael and with Nick he has his Rubens. Fernando's stock plummeted after last year's spoiled fits and blackmail threats. Even worse, Fernando may get forgotten if he doesn't focus on lifting the Renault up the grid. A few years in a mid-pack car will get him forgotten faster than you can say Jacques Button. If/when Kimi retires, Ferrari will have better options that to take on a disruptive unharmonious driver who could wreck the team. Kubica came from nowhere, Vettel also. And years before that, Kimi came from nowhere. There will always be fast drivers but I think Nico will drive a scarlet car in 2010.

One caveat though, Kaz is impressing and Nico's stock can go down if he is not careful. In a year we could be talking about Kaz in this tone. Kaz will only get better as he beds in and learns the tracks etc. I must confess that I am the most surprised. I figured him to be another Ide or even a Sato at best. Now I am rethinking my hasty nationalist opinion.
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Alonso to Ferrari in 2010 should be very solid. Kimi will obviously not continue and Montezemolo likes Alonso if he can have him as #1 without Kimi. The Santander deal for Ferrari would be difficult to explain unless they know Alonso was there. If Massa plays it cool he can still be driving thr other Ferrari at that time. He should know by now that he is no #1 quality. Simply not good enough without TC. He can only hope that TC comes back when they introduce front KERS.
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WhiteBlue wrote:Kimi will obviously not continue...
What is so obvious in that? Why everyone keeps thinking that he'll get bored of racing and retire to play hockey asap? He obviously had to quit after winning the WDC in 2007 "mission accomplished, bye!". But apparently that didn't happen :P

Is it just because he doesn't say something like "I'll be in F1 next year" like someone did a year ago? Well, Kimi's in position to afford the more honest answer "no sure yet, we'll see".

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Look what i just read in a German motorsports forums:
Today on SkySport an italian journalist has confirmed an important rumor: Kimi is working with Ferrari to renew his contract until 2011.
No idea about its source though.

Also motorsport-total.com had a brief news article about Kubica. The Pole reportedly answered to questions about his future team mate at BMW, that he isn't even sure if he stays with BMW. Don't take it for granted, because it looked like gossip. But Alonso with Ferrari is not sure yet.

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I don't think Vettel should have waited at all...now he gets to drive alongside another highly rated driver with more experience. This should help Vettel develop further as a driver and if he starts to out perform MW then it will do nothing less than raise his stock. And if he struggles, then at least he's not in a front line (atm) car with the pressure that brings.
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axle wrote:I don't think Vettel should have waited at all...now he gets to drive alongside another highly rated driver with more experience. This should help Vettel develop further as a driver and if he starts to out perform MW then it will do nothing less than raise his stock. And if he struggles, then at least he's not in a front line (atm) car with the pressure that brings.
I totally agree and couldn't say it better. :D
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modbaraban wrote:
WhiteBlue wrote:Kimi will obviously not continue...
What is so obvious in that? Why everyone keeps thinking that he'll get bored of racing and retire to play hockey asap? He obviously had to quit after winning the WDC in 2007 "mission accomplished, bye!". But apparently that didn't happen :P

Is it just because he doesn't say something like "I'll be in F1 next year" like someone did a year ago? Well, Kimi's in position to afford the more honest answer "no sure yet, we'll see".
Ferrari do not like to be kept waiting. They usually have their star driver committ for two years in advance. Schumachers retire,emt started the same way.
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Moanlower wrote:
axle wrote:I don't think Vettel should have waited at all...now he gets to drive alongside another highly rated driver with more experience. This should help Vettel develop further as a driver and if he starts to out perform MW then it will do nothing less than raise his stock. And if he struggles, then at least he's not in a front line (atm) car with the pressure that brings.
I totally agree and couldn't say it better. :D

I think that he changed my mind as well.

Good point.

Chris

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Conceptual wrote:
Moanlower wrote:
axle wrote:I don't think Vettel should have waited at all...now he gets to drive alongside another highly rated driver with more experience. This should help Vettel develop further as a driver and if he starts to out perform MW then it will do nothing less than raise his stock. And if he struggles, then at least he's not in a front line (atm) car with the pressure that brings.
I totally agree and couldn't say it better. :D

I think that he changed my mind as well.

Good point.

Chris
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axle wrote:I don't think Vettel should have waited at all...now he gets to drive alongside another highly rated driver with more experience. This should help Vettel develop further as a driver and if he starts to out perform MW then it will do nothing less than raise his stock. And if he struggles, then at least he's not in a front line (atm) car with the pressure that brings.

It looks like people missed the .... :-( in the title to this thread.
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Vettel will delelop more at RBR and not a front end team.

Altho, i have a feel that BMW may be thinking about a punt at Alonso for next year, altho one team that i feel Alonso will end up at next year is Toyota. I f Alonso stays at Renault he will have a new team mate in Sutil or Davidson as i feel that Nelshino will make his way to STR for 2009.

I also feel that Honda may just be making a slight mistake keeping both drivers, as id personally like to see some new blood in there.

So far im going with this:

Ferarri: Kimi/Massa
McLaren: Lewis/Hekki
BMW Sauber: Kubica/Heidfeld
Renault: Alonso/ *Sutil **OR** Rosberg*
Red Bull: Webber/Vettel
Toyota: Trulli/ *Sutil **OR** Rosberg*
Toro Rosso: Bourdais/Buemi
Honda: Rubhino/Jenson
Williams: Nakajima/ Davidson **OR** Sutil*
FIF1: Fisi/ *Davidson *OR Sutil*

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