No I meant the name. They'll also find it hard to market it.
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Force India showed up in winter testing with a VJM11 car that looked very similar to its predecessor. Underneath, it really is a new car, but the limited number of changes did show that Force India may no longer be the leader of the midfield.
hmmm... read the link and Lance answers 'no' to the question whether he's discussed the takeover with his father. Then lists all the things his father has done before deciding to buy. Almost as if he HAS talked to him about it.Sevach wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 21:59If they go through all the trouble of forfeiting their points why keep the Force India moniker?
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https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/stro ... 95/?nrt=54
Here he comes.
It's to do with the chassis designation - the chassis name has to be in the team title and vice versa. Because they're technically a new entry who bought their cars from the defunct Force India team, and because the chassis' homologation is fixed until the end of the year - they have to keep Force India bit in the name. How that works out with the customer car rule (because technically this new entry purchased cars from another manufacturer even though it's the same staff and factory designing and building it) is another anomaly of this whole situation but I think the letter of the law has been bent by the FIA and Liberty Media to save the team and staff.
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To more accurate, not the chassis designation but the manufacturer/designer name. Else Mercedes would have a bit of trouble with their W designations. There are enough loopholes (think Super Aguri with Arrow chassis or HAAS with their Dalara build and designed chassis).jjn9128 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 22:22It's to do with the chassis designation - the chassis name has to be in the team title and vice versa. Because they're technically a new entry who bought their cars from the defunct Force India team, and because the chassis' homologation is fixed until the end of the year - they have to keep Force India bit in the name. How that works out with the customer car rule (because technically this new entry purchased cars from another manufacturer even though it's the same staff and factory designing and building it) is another anomaly of this whole situation but I think the letter of the law has been bent by the FIA and Liberty Media to save the team and staff.
I also don't know if they're required to pay a new entry fee to the FIA as a new team... but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
I'm looking forward to trying to explain this to my parents when they ask about it
They don’t count as customer cars in this case as they were previously used by a team that is officially no longer competing. That is allowed by the rules.jjn9128 wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 22:22It's to do with the chassis designation - the chassis name has to be in the team title and vice versa. Because they're technically a new entry who bought their cars from the defunct Force India team, and because the chassis' homologation is fixed until the end of the year - they have to keep Force India bit in the name. How that works out with the customer car rule (because technically this new entry purchased cars from another manufacturer even though it's the same staff and factory designing and building it) is another anomaly of this whole situation but I think the letter of the law has been bent by the FIA and Liberty Media to save the team and staff.
I also don't know if they're required to pay a new entry fee to the FIA as a new team... but it wouldn't surprise me if they did.
I'm looking forward to trying to explain this to my parents when they ask about it
Otmar Szafnauer says he has no idea why, as a new entrant, Racing Point Force India don’t get a new engine allocation. They’ve lost their points because they had to start a new entry, so doesn’t understand why if everything from the past has gone, engine usage remains.
I think if they lose all points, and are a new "team", the engine count should start over. Id lodge a complaint, as you can't determine one way, but restrict another.F1NAC wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 14:18It seems that they will keep their engine allocation numbers even as a new team
Otmar Szafnauer says he has no idea why, as a new entrant, Racing Point Force India don’t get a new engine allocation. They’ve lost their points because they had to start a new entry, so doesn’t understand why if everything from the past has gone, engine usage remains.
Well the W0..., FW... and VJM... are internal designations, as far as the FIA are concerned a Mercedes is a Mercedes, so when you read the FIA entry list it says "team - Mercedes-Benz Grand Prix Limited", "chassis - Mercedes", "engine - Mercedes".Jolle wrote: ↑23 Aug 2018, 23:44To more accurate, not the chassis designation but the manufacturer/designer name. Else Mercedes would have a bit of trouble with their W designations. There are enough loopholes (think Super Aguri with Arrow chassis or HAAS with their Dalara build and designed chassis).
given the amount of rule bending and arm twisting been going on, its best they shut up and concentrate on the race weekend..Zynerji wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 14:23I think if they lose all points, and are a new "team", the engine count should start over. Id lodge a complaint, as you can't determine one way, but restrict another.F1NAC wrote: ↑24 Aug 2018, 14:18It seems that they will keep their engine allocation numbers even as a new team
Otmar Szafnauer says he has no idea why, as a new entrant, Racing Point Force India don’t get a new engine allocation. They’ve lost their points because they had to start a new entry, so doesn’t understand why if everything from the past has gone, engine usage remains.
