Force India showed up in winter testing with a VJM11 car that looked very similar to its predecessor. Underneath, it really is a new car, but the limited number of changes did show that Force India may no longer be the leader of the midfield.
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It seems that they will keep their engine allocation numbers even as a new team
I think if they lose all points, and are a new "team", the engine count should start over. Id lodge a complaint, as you can't determine one way, but restrict another.
given the amount of rule bending and arm twisting been going on, its best they shut up and concentrate on the race weekend..
It could also be part of an appeasement package to the other teams particularly those with merc engines who objected to them remaining in F1
It seems it's a bit of making it up as they go along on this one. The drama continues to unfold, I saw a tweet indicating the RPFI now get to keep the SFI prize money from last year.
Sooo... Does Vijay Mallya get to keep his F1 entry after all these shenanigans ? Since it's a new entry for Race Point ? Can Vallya sell the entry that belongs to him ? If he's lost his entry, how so ?
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So Fi lose their points and those lower down the list move up one, right?
What happens to the points? are they redistributed to what the finish order would have been with out FI scoring?
Surely they cannot just disappear.
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So Fi lose their points and those lower down the list move up one, right?
What happens to the points? are they redistributed to what the finish order would have been with out FI scoring?
Surely they cannot just disappear.
Curious as to the F1 entry, too. Assume it's the only asset left in receivership so the administrator gives it to the Indian banks.(?) Could India mount another team in 2019 using their existing entry then? Very interesting. Seems as if Mallya will get even more crushed in Indian courts now that those assets are gone and the banks received no compensation from the administrator at all.
Curious as to the F1 entry, too. Assume it's the only asset left in receivership so the administrator gives it to the Indian banks.(?) Could India mount another team in 2019 using their existing entry then? Very interesting. Seems as if Mallya will get even more crushed in Indian courts now that those assets are gone and the banks received no compensation from the administrator at all.
Will they kill him twice ?
He's a couple of billion in the hole a few mil isn't going make a dent
Sooo... Does Vijay Mallya get to keep his F1 entry after all these shenanigans ? Since it's a new entry for Race Point ? Can Vallya sell the entry that belongs to him ? If he's lost his entry, how so ?
No the entry has been lost. FIA ruled that since Sahara Force India could not race further this season (they have no assets) the entry was simply cancelled.
So Fi lose their points and those lower down the list move up one, right?
What happens to the points? are they redistributed to what the finish order would have been with out FI scoring?
Surely they cannot just disappear.
No, they follow with the entry, since there is no entry, there are no points. But the race results still stand.
I don't know if it's true, but i've read that Williams refused the possibility for Stroll's Racing Point F1 team to get/keep Force India's prize money as it would mean there would be less teams to spread the pot with making their share bigger.
if that's really true, then scr*w them. that is the lowest you can go, for real.
That's not the F1 team i once loved and adored.
If it's true, than by all honesty, may it happen to them. May Stroll move to Racing Point, take all tha money, turn Racing Point into a Mercedes B-team,
take Kubica alongside, take Paddy Lowe aboard, and see Williams go into bankrupcy and get denied all the prize money and points.
i'll hope it was just a matter of bad media nonsense. anybody know more about this story?
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I have read that all nine other teams have signed an agreement allowing Racing Point FI to keep the historical "tier money" that FI have earned from previous seasons performances and results.
I don't know if it's true, but i've read that Williams refused the possibility for Stroll's Racing Point F1 team to get/keep Force India's prize money as it would mean there would be less teams to spread the pot with making their share bigger.
if that's really true, then scr*w them. that is the lowest you can go, for real.
That's not the F1 team i once loved and adored.
If it's true, than by all honesty, may it happen to them. May Stroll move to Racing Point, take all tha money, turn Racing Point into a Mercedes B-team,
take Kubica alongside, take Paddy Lowe aboard, and see Williams go into bankrupcy and get denied all the prize money and points.
i'll hope it was just a matter of bad media nonsense. anybody know more about this story?
Read somewhere that it is irrelevant anyway as it would have been belonging to Force India Sahara, therefore snatched as belonging to VM.
(Nevill)
Jo Seward says on his blog though that they will be eligible for Column 2 money next season as the teams agree it, and it is for next years 'appearance'
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It seems that they will keep their engine allocation numbers even as a new team
Otmar Szafnauer says he has no idea why, as a new entrant, Racing Point Force India don’t get a new engine allocation. They’ve lost their points because they had to start a new entry, so doesn’t understand why if everything from the past has gone, engine usage remains.
I think if they lose all points, and are a new "team", the engine count should start over. Id lodge a complaint, as you can't determine one way, but restrict another.
The drivers are keeping their points, it is just the team's points that have been cancelled. So the two drivers have their own engine allocation now????
Strange way to do this, what happens if Stroll junior switches, will he have his own engine allocation too
As has been said it is probably a compromise to appease the other teams, as long as we keep ten teams racing with jobs secure going forward I don't care what they had to agree to, well done to all involved.
Sooo... Does Vijay Mallya get to keep his F1 entry after all these shenanigans ? Since it's a new entry for Race Point ? Can Vallya sell the entry that belongs to him ? If he's lost his entry, how so ?
No the entry has been lost. FIA ruled that since Sahara Force India could not race further this season (they have no assets) the entry was simply cancelled.
Then why are they cutting prize money from "Racing Point Force India" ? Lol. Ok, a sole billionaire's finances aren't exactly high up in my priorities, but welcome to the piranha club i guess.
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The drivers are keeping their points, it is just the team's points that have been cancelled. So the two drivers have their own engine allocation now????
Strange way to do this, what happens if Stroll junior switches, will he have his own engine allocation too
As has been said it is probably a compromise to appease the other teams, as long as we keep ten teams racing with jobs secure going forward I don't care what they had to agree to, well done to all involved.
This is the point I don't understand. I understand that the PU usage basically stays with the car. So if a driver moves from say Honda to say Lewis' seat at Mercedes he will have only used 3 ICE this year, vs the 6 he used at Toro Rosso. I think of it like they don't want drivers to be shuffled around to get around the rule. But, the car is a new asset for the RPFI team which hasn't raced yet. Much like the constructors points, the RPFI team have not used any engines until they crossed the timing line today. If they went one way or the other I could understand it better (no points, no PU usage -OR- the get points & usage)
I understand the anomaly too, but I think it is a compromise they would be willing to accept considering they should allegedly benefit from up to $150 million next year from keeping the historical payments earned by SFI due to the other teams agreeing they could.
I understand the anomaly too, but I think it is a compromise they would be willing to accept considering they should allegedly benefit from up to $150 million next year from keeping the historical payments earned by SFI due to the other teams agreeing they could.
I feel your probably right. As the rules state otherwise, that is why all the teams needed to agree. They got their $$, so I'm sure they are happy. The next few years I assume the payout will be lower due to their only taking less than 1/2 a seasons worth of points, but its better than loosing the $150M now.
