2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[mclaren111]

Alonso's top speeds not as bad as last year.

That leaves only corners for poor results......

[Big Tea]

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Alonso's top speeds not as bad as last year.

That leaves only corners for poor results......

I notice in prac, the Mclarens were practicing slipstream towing.

[Juzh]

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Alonso's top speeds not as bad as last year.

That leaves only corners for poor results......

Alonso had slipstream from vandoorne in Q1 in the first sector, that's why his speed is 10 kmh higher. Vandoorne's speed is more accurate represntation of how slow mclaren really is on the straights.

[Dipesh1995]

As Ant on the Skypad was showing today the car doesn't look bad to drive, Alonso said the same.

I think what the situtation here is that the car is well balanced, it doesn't understeer nor oversteer a lot and it seems quite easy to drive and is quite stable. What it is lacking is raw grip, to be able to carry more speed around slow, medium and high speed corners. They aren't able to carry as much speed around the corners as the other teams which points to downforce and mechanical grip deficiency as well as a possible drag issue. Hence why the car looks decent to drive but the laptimes show it to be well off the pace.

[Singabule]

Dont underestimate driveability of last year engine (final spec). The PU maybe not as powerfull as Renault PU but driveability help corner exit also. I think this affecting Vandoorne worser than Alo since it is Alo. Simply spin the rear wheel on corner exit and ate tyres badly. Look how gentle STR compare to MCL 33 and then compare MCL 33 to MCL 32 (rear tire). I did not buy MCL 32 is better than MCL 33 aerodynamically

[Darth-Piekus]

Relevant enough to show that they were again in the same situation where they bounced back. I don't see why they can't bounce back again. You don't seem to understand how big of a team they are and who is backing them in terms of money.

You sound like you revel in their suffering.

You don't seem to have comprehended that the situations you highlighted were nothing like as serious as what McLaren are going through now. I am not enjoying their performance, simply calling a spade a spade.

Referencing eras in the 70's, 80's is completely pointless because regulations were less strict, less money was required to go racing, and sponsors were more plentiful.

McLaren is actually not a very big business, and their intellectual capital has been fragmented since the launch of the automotive arm.

Their majority shareholder is a pension fund from the Middle East. How quickly do you think the money will last with sustained poor performance?

Here have the results of Mclaren's history from 1966 and see for yourself that Mclaren was in that situation many times before and many times they bounced back.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/McLaren_G ... ix_results

Mclaren is a big automotive business at the moment definately bigger than the 80s and 90s. The fact that they didn't need to be bought by someone else like Ferrari for example who was bought by FIAT back in the 90s shows that they are economically ok. Their majority shareholder is a fund from Quatar and we all know how rich those are there not to mention that they have Mclaren more than a decade and even before them Mclaren always had money to spend. Look at their history before commenting first. They never had an economic problem in their history.

I am sure that you do not enjoy their performance but you and one or two more are overdoing it dooming and glooming and predicting Armaggedon without even knowing the future.

[diffuser]

You got to hope that they've put 70% of there effort into next year's car since Spain. Other cars are moving forward but they're standing still. So it looks like they're going backwards.

[diffuser]

Dont underestimate driveability of last year engine (final spec). The PU maybe not as powerfull as Renault PU but driveability help corner exit also. I think this affecting Vandoorne worser than Alo since it is Alo. Simply spin the rear wheel on corner exit and ate tyres badly. Look how gentle STR compare to MCL 33 and then compare MCL 33 to MCL 32 (rear tire). I did not buy MCL 32 is better than MCL 33 aerodynamically

What's the point in arguing about last years car? We have enough issues with this years car to imagin that some of them where there last year. Let's just hope that whoever said "all their problems were the PU" are gone, obviously they were clueless.

[RonDennis]

You got to hope that they've put 70% of there effort into next year's car since Spain. Other cars are moving forward but they're standing still. So it looks like they're going backwards.

The car has some fundamental issues that can't be fixed, so I don't expect them to bring any updates that can't be used for next year.

[Ground Effect]

You got to hope that they've put 70% of there effort into next year's car since Spain. Other cars are moving forward but they're standing still. So it looks like they're going backwards.

The car has some fundamental issues that can't be fixed, so I don't expect them to bring any updates that can't be used for next year.

We can only hope these fundamental problems have been identified and the solutions found, so it won't be repeated in 2019. It's obvious 2018 is a bust in terms of recovery and updates, it's all about brave drives, guts and grit to get as many points as possible.

[Ground Effect]

Martin Brundle made a remark that Ocon may be too tall for the Mclaren chassis, is that possible?

[McG]

Such doom and gloom, which I don't think is deserved because McLaren have shown they are doing a lot about it.

Comparisons with Williams is a moot point because Williams are completely different and don't have the strength and depth of McLaren. But McLaren will be losing milions of fans at the moment. The glory followers will be gone, can be seen on here already.

Ferrari have had their bad moments. Ferrari hasn't won a championship in 11 years. Mercedes will have their bad moments if they stay in F1 as a full team for long enough (through lots of rule changes). Mercedes have had bad patches with McLaren by being unreliable and Ron Dennis would usually take the blame saying it was a McLaren exhaust that failed or something.

F1 management are partly to blame for McLaren's situation. The engine rules make it impossible for other manufacturers to join F1, now they are thinking about extending these engines beyond 2021. Look at Red Bull having to take a massive risk in going with Honda because they have no choice really. Same with McLaren, they took the risk but had to take another with Renault hoping Renault will improve. Liberty are just as bad as Bernie. If they really keep these engines beyond 2021 then it shows they are happy with the money they are getting and that's it. It is a business after all. It'll only get worse once STR and Force India become more solid B teams, and maybe Sauber will become a Ferrari B team too.

One criticism that is quite unclear is
what the hell is Podromu doing? Supposed to be great and comes up with this car? Surely the matrix system wasn't so bad that his talent has been filtered by 2 seconds or something. As Ant on the Skypad was showing today the car doesn't look bad to drive, Alonso said the same. Seems like Podromu is nothing without Newey.

I agree with Prodromou part but disagree for the rest. This mentality for "no critizm and not accept blame and blaming FIA instead" that lead mclaren in current position. As you said, mclaren in dennis era wouldn't blame merc if it is unreliable and blaming cooling instead (which is theirs). No need to blame other party as it would not solving problem at all. They need leader from technical people, not marketing guru who sell their fantasy to other people. Hope Brown and Ojjeh did not touch what Gil de Ferran do.

I said partly to blame and that's just a fact. Something needs to be done, everyone has admitted that, but nothing has been done and now they are extending that. So it'll be 5 or so years that Liberty will have done nothing really and the FIA chickening out of setting some new regs. It's pretty clear Liberty are all talk and the FIA just the usual looking after the big boys.

No new manufacturers want to join F1, therefore McLaren didn't have a choice but to swap Honda to be a customer of a nearly as bad engine manufacturer (arguably). Red Bull certainly think so.

The car is a dog no doubt that's clear and McLaren are doing eveything in their control to change that for next year. They have also stopped developing it from before the summer break. It's a car that although a new design, previously had only the Honda era to get some testing done. People spoke about how this would hurt McLaren with development and now it shows.

What part of that don't you agree with.

It's never just 1 thing.

[McG]

Martin Brundle made a remark that Ocon may be too tall for the Mclaren chassis, is that possible?

Could be. I remember Jaguar had a tough time fitting Justin Wilson into their car.

[McG]

Such doom and gloom, which I don't think is deserved because McLaren have shown they are doing a lot about it.

Comparisons with Williams is a moot point because Williams are completely different and don't have the strength and depth of McLaren. But McLaren will be losing milions of fans at the moment. The glory followers will be gone, can be seen on here already.

Ferrari have had their bad moments. Ferrari hasn't won a championship in 11 years. Mercedes will have their bad moments if they stay in F1 as a full team for long enough (through lots of rule changes). Mercedes have had bad patches with McLaren by being unreliable and Ron Dennis would usually take the blame saying it was a McLaren exhaust that failed or something.

F1 management are partly to blame for McLaren's situation. The engine rules make it impossible for other manufacturers to join F1, now they are thinking about extending these engines beyond 2021. Look at Red Bull having to take a massive risk in going with Honda because they have no choice really. Same with McLaren, they took the risk but had to take another with Renault hoping Renault will improve. Liberty are just as bad as Bernie. If they really keep these engines beyond 2021 then it shows they are happy with the money they are getting and that's it. It is a business after all. It'll only get worse once STR and Force India become more solid B teams, and maybe Sauber will become a Ferrari B team too.

One criticism that is quite unclear is
what the hell is Podromu doing? Supposed to be great and comes up with this car? Surely the matrix system wasn't so bad that his talent has been filtered by 2 seconds or something. As Ant on the Skypad was showing today the car doesn't look bad to drive, Alonso said the same. Seems like Podromu is nothing without Newey.

I agree with Prodromou part but disagree for the rest. This mentality for "no critizm and not accept blame and blaming FIA instead" that lead mclaren in current position.* As you said, mclaren in dennis era wouldn't blame merc if it is unreliable and blaming cooling instead (which is theirs). No need to blame other party as it would not solving problem at all. They need leader from technical people, not marketing guru who sell their fantasy to other people. Hope Brown and Ojjeh did not touch what Gil de Ferran do.

I said partly to blame and that's just a fact. Something needs to be done, everyone has admitted that, but nothing has been done and now they are extending that. So it'll be 5 or so years that Liberty will have done nothing really and the FIA chickening out of setting some new regs. It's pretty clear Liberty are all talk and the FIA just the usual looking after the big boys.

No new manufacturers want to join F1, therefore McLaren didn't have a choice but to swap Honda to be a customer of a nearly as bad engine manufacturer (arguably). Red Bull certainly think so.

The car is a dog no doubt that's clear and McLaren are doing eveything in their control to change that for next year. They have also stopped developing it from before the summer break. It's a car that although a new design, previously had only the Honda era to get some testing done. People spoke about how this would hurt McLaren with development and now it shows.

What part of that don't you agree with.

It's never just 1 thing.

*No it didn't.

[ollandos]

nexy year plz ......i am f1 fan and mclaren since 1985 .. for every single year ..but i dont want to watch any more ...

i hope to see next year a car with full mclaren dynamic ...in me eyes this car has desing limits ..its not only one part problem and for sure not the aero ..if it was something like this the car it will be very good on some tracks and very bad on some others ..like FI and torro rosso ...this car is bad and slow everywhere ....

good luck for alonso very sad 4 years on mclaren with 0 result ..maybe in the future ..for winning come back ...

guys any news about staff ? leave? and come in?....