FIA regulations proposals

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bernard wrote: BMW has even at the current state of affairs hinted a retriet from F1.
Today they threatened in F1racing.net they would leave F1 because they don't like the engine rules.
http://www.f1racing.net/en/news.php?newsID=62422

Monstrobolaxa
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They're not the only ones I know that Mercedes and Cosworth are thinking the same thing...and the Renault isn't happy.

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Irvingthien wrote:I don't think these rules will work. Big teams will spend more money on compensating the "dissability" next year, then the gap between smaller teams will widen, that's not the F1 I am hoping for.

The rules will create like clash between the FIA's cost cutting policy and slowing down cars policy. Why not instead of limiting the team personnel and the budget of teams...saves cash and hinders development, isn't that more effective?
- Explain why the divide will get bigger because of this disability?
- Spending does not directly contribute to performance if the rules are right. "speed gain per dollar spent" is more important than limiting funds. You will nerver stop Ferrari spending money, the point is to make it a $10million car the same performance as a $100million car
- As for limiting resources, good luck trying to police that.

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Anonymous wrote: - Explain why the divide will get bigger because of this disability?
Because the bigger teams have loads of cash and expertise to adjust to the new rules, and design a new car that is fast, whereas the smaller teams have very limited funds and therefore can't take all out of the new rules. Their design is very much dependant on last years car, designing a whole new car takes too much money and design hours. The bigger teams have huge amounts of personnel, so the performance gap will get even bigger. It's a fact.

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then let's face it. the sport is screwed. it's a damned if you do, damnded if you don;t situation. Let it collapse then. bring on the gpwc. maybe a series which is designed from the beginning with the greedy in charge will fare better than our old boys club.
"I'll bring us through this. As always. I'll carry you - kicking and screaming - and in the end you'll thank me. "

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No, not necessarily. If the idiots on top of FIA would take their hand off of the panic button and see that the sport is good as it is, ratings are going up despite the dullest season in years, and more teams are starting to reach the top.
The only thing that might be nice to touch is safety.
Take overtaking for example. Ferrari was a million times faster than anybody in the beginning of the season, so obviously no one could overtake them, and overtakings in the back of the pack don't interest anyone, so the idiots decided it's time to change the whole damn cars, based on just a few races. That's almost as smart as writing Mclaren off of the victory battles for this year and the next one based on four races. [-(
You need to put things into perspective and look at them on a longshot, not just what happened in the last race.
Don't ruin the sport by rushed decisions. So far the rulechanges have only made the sport worse(qualifying) so why should this time be any different? It sure does seem to go straight to hell. ](*,)
Already Max has caused severe damage to the sport by forcing these rulechanges this fast, teams had already started designing their cars, spent millions on them, and now they have to scrap these plans and then have two months to make the car till it has to hit test track. :evil:

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Ford/jaguar is on the rocks. maybe they'll be back, but if they do it will be under ford branding. Jordan is sinking, minardi is sinking. no new teams on the horizon. Almost no passing, EVER. Costs spiralling to 400million a year. Schumacher chmap 5 years in a row, ferrari 6 years in a row. Television viewership slowly declinging. Pay driver's becoming the norm.


Exactly what part of this sport is healthy?
"I'll bring us through this. As always. I'll carry you - kicking and screaming - and in the end you'll thank me. "

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uzael wrote:Ford/jaguar is on the rocks. maybe they'll be back, but if they do it will be under ford branding. Jordan is sinking, minardi is sinking. no new teams on the horizon.

Quite the contrary. Just this week the news of Dallara's possible F1 plans. FIA is at the moment blocking the door from new teams, there would be many who would like to join up. :?
uzael wrote:Almost no passing, EVER.
Not true. This year has infact seen a lot of overtakes, some of them very nice. You have a rather short memory... what about belgium? Hungary was boring, but Hockenheim? Silverstone?
uzael wrote:Television viewership slowly declinging.
Where did you hear this? The viewer ratings worldwide are up. In spain something like 50%, in France and germany...In only a few countries the ratings have declined, and in those too the numbers are marginal. :roll:

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bernard wrote:
uzael wrote:Television viewership slowly declinging.
Where did you hear this? The viewer ratings worldwide are up. In spain something like 50%, in France and germany...In only a few countries the ratings have declined, and in those too the numbers are marginal. :roll:
Now I ask you the same question....in the UK there was a 20% decline, in Germany a 28 to 30% decline in Italy a 15% decline....these are numbers from F1 Racing and consern the 2003 championship.

Even Max and Bernie have mentioned in interviews that they are worried about Schumachers' dominance because it's "repelling" viewers.

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The numbers I mentioned are the latest(this season) and they have been published originally by TV Sports markets magazine.
Britain has suffered a slight decline, whereas Spain has doubled it's ratings from 1,6 million to 2,9 million. France, Germany and Italy to mention a few have increased their number of viewers. And this is from this current season 2004.

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Humm....but those studies are only done at the end of the season when they have all the numbers figured out....during the season they work on an average estimation number....like in 1997 it was said that 2,5 million viewers in France would subscribe digital F1 transmissions....only 50 thousand signed up! So untill the season is over we do not have 100% correct numbers, we are still in the estimation period.

Another thing spain didn't double....1,6 x 2 = 3,2 not 2,9....and 300 thousand people are alot o people :P And that number I've seen it before and it refered as the increase of viewers in 2002 when the Alonso mania started.

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In my view there has been one good grand prix with a few battles, and that was Germany. The British and Belguim GP's were eventful but not full of racing battles. I can't see why by following a car around espescially in high speed corners, you should lose your optimum grip. At least if you reduce aero grip and give more mechanical grip you can increase the potential to pass. We have to start somewhere to improve the racing.

At this current format is does not matter if everyone had a Ferrari, at most tracks they would be following eachother around all GP and passing will remain in the pits.

One idea to reduce cost is to sack half of those idiots doing the pit-stops. Isn't there currently 3 men to each wheel? A bit excessive in my view, I can change the tyre on my car by myself.

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Monstrobolaxa wrote:Humm....but those studies are only done at the end of the season when they have all the numbers figured out....during the season they work on an average estimation number....like in 1997 it was said that 2,5 million viewers in France would subscribe digital F1 transmissions....only 50 thousand signed up! So untill the season is over we do not have 100% correct numbers, we are still in the estimation period.
No, those numbers are the viewer rates per race. Very much accurate. Very much up to date.

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bernard wrote:
Monstrobolaxa wrote:Humm....but those studies are only done at the end of the season when they have all the numbers figured out....during the season they work on an average estimation number....like in 1997 it was said that 2,5 million viewers in France would subscribe digital F1 transmissions....only 50 thousand signed up! So untill the season is over we do not have 100% correct numbers, we are still in the estimation period.
No, those numbers are the viewer rates per race. Very much accurate. Very much up to date.
You are showing that what I'm saying is correct! If you have twice the number of viewers during one race you might have hallf of them for the other! this will lead to the same number of viewers on average! The only 100% figuures are only known at the end of the season.

An example:
Imagine that the 2,9 million spanish viewers didn't watch the last 4 GP's of the season! This wouldn't mean that no one watches races! The number of viewers is an average, and just because that the number of viewers for a determined number of GPs has risen it doesn't mean that the popularity is rising. Only at the end of the season affter all the GPs you have the total number of viewers and you can see if the number of viewers has risen or not! 1 or 2 GP's with 3 times the number of viewers might be isolated, the correct number is only possible when you have all the case studies (the 17 GPs)....it's plain statistics!

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Approximately the same amount of people have watched all the races this year. There is no decline in the numbers, despite the dull races. That is my final answer.
So you can stuff your statistics, it's plain common sense.