it is not, but with unlimited mapping technology you can achieve the same as with TC.CMSMJ1 wrote:It is not TC though is it?
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it is not, but with unlimited mapping technology you can achieve the same as with TC.CMSMJ1 wrote:It is not TC though is it?
Well, I bet my grandma wont make TC engage, but would lap in 15 minutes at monzaConceptual wrote: Personally, I tend to agree with what Button said a few years ago, and that is, "If you are a good enough driver, the TC never actually engages."
Interesting, but I think I disagree. The paddles are ergonomically much better than dials/knobs but if anything they offer less variability in engine map selection. The paddles imply stepping through a discrete set of engine mappings. Whereas a rotary dial implies a continuous range of values. That aside I think you ban it or you don't, banning a particular design which just happens to be ergonomically superior seems a little odd.WhiteBlue wrote:The paddle solution for sure. About the knobs and dials one can have different opinion. They are not associated with speed ranges. What is the point of hzaving drivers fiddle with theese things and on top variable wings, KERS and a ton of other stuff?
Hmm, no it is not really modulation in the same sense as TC. TC is a feedback loop, this is a manually altered gain change on the throttle command which uses the driver as the feedback mechanism to determine the gain change. TC did not use the driver in the loop at all, allowing the to drive out of corners at 100% throttle requiring no input from the driver. If you want ban the idea then you make sure you fix the throttle map for the entire race. How you go about doing it without inserting more spec I don't know.What is now achieved is a speed dependant modulation of the throttle command. Obviously the gears are related to speed intervals of the car. You can hugely desensitise the throttle in low gears to make it easier for the driver to control the car in slow corners. It surely helps the drivers who do not have such good throttle control.
Could you imagine the rotation that you could get the car to do?bazanaius wrote:Awesome idea!that the teams put triggers on the steering wheel that allow the driver to "boost" the left or right front wheels.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=dmkRcmUCXOgEither I'm really not getting it at all, or there are a lot of people that don't know what TC is!DaveKillens wrote:Personally, I appreciate the innovative method McLaren have for these paddles. No doubt they simulate TC situations. But as far as making them illegal, I doubt it. First off, the new ECU is built with the ability for multiple mappings. Secondly, there are many ways to put in place devices that mimic TC. Heck, you could just increase the mass of the clutch, and get results. So let the teams run with it, who knows, somehow this form of technology may actually work for production cars. I don't know how, but let's keep the door open for such kinds of innovation.
Off-topic, but Belatti, your comments about your grandmother reminds me of mine, and this
Yup, moving a system from Rotary switch to paddle on the back of the wheel does not make it illegal!myurr wrote:Either I'm really not getting it at all, or there are a lot of people that don't know what TC is!DaveKillens wrote:Personally, I appreciate the innovative method McLaren have for these paddles. No doubt they simulate TC situations. But as far as making them illegal, I doubt it. First off, the new ECU is built with the ability for multiple mappings. Secondly, there are many ways to put in place devices that mimic TC. Heck, you could just increase the mass of the clutch, and get results. So let the teams run with it, who knows, somehow this form of technology may actually work for production cars. I don't know how, but let's keep the door open for such kinds of innovation.
Off-topic, but Belatti, your comments about your grandmother reminds me of mine, and this
With McLaren's system, if you stamp on the accelerator you get wheel spin - with TC you don't.
All McLaren have done is make it easier to change engine map - something every driver on the grid can do. Full stop. No ifs no buts, every driver can do this. The _only_ difference is that the McLaren drivers can keep both hands on the wheel whilst doing this.
It's not traction control. It's nothing like traction control. There is no computer involvement, there is no system in place which limits or stops wheelspin. The throttle is not modulated on the drivers behalf. There is no artificial intelligence in the system. There are no sensors allowing any automated processes to take place. It really has nothing to do with traction control!
But apparently it means you can equate it to TC.Scotracer wrote:Yup, moving a system from Rotary switch to paddle on the back of the wheel does not make it illegal!