2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[etusch]

Back yo old spec PU for this week-end.

I was expecting this for getting best performance for the home race.

[gandharva]

They will just be allowed to use the new ICE next race. No other parts like the also introduced new MGU-H.

[Jerrycobra]

Not suprised they reverted back. You could hear the gearbox breaking upshifts which put the nail in the coffin of Macca and Honda. Needs some further refinement on the software possibly.

Yea it was the 1st thing I noticed when the showed the onboard of Gasly i believe in FP1, it had the shift Oscillation sound from 3rd gear and up. It was nothing like the early season 2017 oscillation, but very noticeable compared to spec 2 .

[McMika98]

They will just be allowed to use the new ICE next race. No other parts like the also introduced new MGU-H.

Hartley now has other elements also added to his pool.

[Chicane]

This is something we saw a lot during Mclaren tenure. Elements introduced had to be replaced immediately in the following sessions as Honda saw ''something on the data''. Plenty of 30 hp advertised upgrades never saw the light of the day. It is not just about gains, it is more about whether those gains are sustainable and the parts durable for the entire life cycle of the power unit. None of their power units have lasted 7 races and Honda themselves have admitted in the past that there are so many issues they could not foresee on the test bench.

[HPD]

This is something we saw a lot during Mclaren tenure. Elements introduced had to be replaced immediately in the following sessions as Honda saw ''something on the data''. Plenty of 30 hp advertised upgrades never saw the light of the day. It is not just about gains, it is more about whether those gains are sustainable and the parts durable for the entire life cycle of the power unit. None of their power units have lasted 7 races and Honda themselves have admitted in the past that there are so many issues they could not foresee on the test bench.

NO.
This new PU goes to sakura to improve the calibration and improve the integration with the chassis.
They can use it again in Suzuka without penalty.
If you do a little research. You can see that Honda never gives HP figures.
Only Mclaren's big mouth always gave numbers and hopes. Red bull also gives HP figures. But Honda does not.

[McMika98]

Wow Gasly better over a second quicker than Mclaren and safely above both Renault without the spec 3 engine. Surely the Spec 2 Honda is quicker than spec B Renault.
As for Hartley, i think his time is up. Cant sympathize him anymore. Most of his misfortunes are largely due to not being in the right place. Kyvat can have his seat in thr next race.

[ispano6]

Hartley has 5-6 races in which he has to beat Gasly. I think by the 5th race if Hartley hasn't beaten Gasly at least once then Kvyat might be in for the last race and post season test.

still, I have a feeling Kvyat and Hartley will be next year's drivers. most likely for the sake and credibility of the Red Bull young drivers programme. Ironic that the junior team have older drivers than the senior team!

[hasika]

https://headlines.yahoo.co.jp/hl?a=2018 ... ports-moto

"We introduced the new specifications of power unit,there was no big problem basiclly and the performance was encouraging, but when we checked the details carefuly, we found that we still have some work to do before we used it in the race, so we switched back to the old spec power unit."Tanabe san said.

Although the spec3 power unit made great progress in terms of performance,the rpm of the engine during upshift was not smooth. It was still able to run,but honda decided to make some further adjustments to the control software and will not use it again this weekend.

"We already run it on friday,so its still able to run but cannot run well, considering the race distance,I think we still need to optimise it . We did a lot test on the dyno and then bring the new engine to the track, we expected that there would be some difference between dyno and track conditions, but when we actually ran, the difference was bigger than expectation."

Honda discussed with Toro Rosso side,Toro Rosso will send some engineers to HRD Milton Keynes to sovle the problem together,to make better perparation for Japanese GP.

"We will get some help from the team side, engineers from the team side will come to HRD Milton Keynes on Monday.We will do some dyno test with the new spec PU and gearbox,to have a better matching.”

[nzjrs]

Double brake failure?

[towncaptain]

Yep, confirmed by Gasly

[restless]

but... how?!
forgot to fill brake fluid???

[Marti_EF3]

How can this happen on a Pro Team?? That the 2 cars have a failure on the brakes, and the 2 cars fail at the same time... Wtf??

[Big Tea]

Do the brake by wire systems stil have a fluid system at all? I would have thought it would stil be there to back up, but it does not seem like it is.

Also, as it is all sensor/feedback why do they need to keep the force required on the peddle so high?

[Jolle]

Do the brake by wire systems stil have a fluid system at all? I would have thought it would stil be there to back up, but it does not seem like it is.

Also, as it is all sensor/feedback why do they need to keep the force required on the peddle so high?

It's still a quite normal hydraulic system but with an extra cilinder where a pump can adjust the pressure.

Backups, in almost every system in a racing car is not useful. It takes up weight and if the master fails, you're slower anyway. Thats why F1 cars have just one hydraulic system, one brake system, one fuel pump, etc etc. In road cars you need a "limp home mode" or extra safety that is not possible in F1 (when you're using 99% of braking power, there is little difference if you have 0% or 60%, any thing less then 100% and you'll crash or DNF)