“Before that at Turn 1 I think Daniel [Ricciardo] lost a piece of carbon that went straight into my visor. This was really, really scary because I thought it was going through and straight in my eye, but it hit my visor and fell in the cockpit, so in Turn 4 I had to take the carbon piece and throw it from the cockpit.Gasly says his bigger fear was the moment he saw a piece of carbon fibre was going to hit his helmet.
“I need to check [the helmet] because I didn’t check after the race. But just at the time I had 0.5s to see it flying and hitting the visor. It was like a winglet that maybe came from somewhere from contact with Daniel, but it came like pointing towards me and straight at my right eye.
“When I saw it coming I thought ‘F**k it’s going through the visor’, but the visor is really strong because it just hit it and fell into the cockpit.
“It’s going super-fast but still I had time to have all these thoughts and see it coming. So in these kind of moments you’re processing it quite fast.”
I was waiting for this thread to be reignitedJust_a_fan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 22:29FFS, no one ever claimed the halo would stop everything. It's designed to stop big stuff like entire wheel assemblies or cars themselves, not small bit of CF.
and don't forget the tear resistant rules for suits.jjn9128 wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 22:49I was waiting for this thread to be reignitedJust_a_fan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 22:29FFS, no one ever claimed the halo would stop everything. It's designed to stop big stuff like entire wheel assemblies or cars themselves, not small bit of CF.
Halo is designed to stop big debris - and cars as we saw in Spa - while the helmet and visor are spec'd to cope with smaller debris. The 2019 helmet and visor will be even better!
Funny!Just_a_fan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 22:29FFS, no one ever claimed the halo would stop everything. It's designed to stop big stuff like entire wheel assemblies or cars themselves, not small bit of CF.
When and where? The official FIA press video was very clear that its for whole cars, big chunks of car or stuff like rolling on top of a barrier. Small debris had online a 15% or so less chance of impact. They even got Massa’s incident where there was states minimal change in outcome. They introduced even better helmet designs for those kind of accidents with the second upgrade since Massa coming in ‘19.strad wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 00:03Funny!Just_a_fan wrote: ↑01 Oct 2018, 22:29FFS, no one ever claimed the halo would stop everything. It's designed to stop big stuff like entire wheel assemblies or cars themselves, not small bit of CF.
We were told it would stop small springs and junk off the road. Not cars and big stuff.
You are misinformed and drawing your own conclusions. Re-watch the piece that the FIA brought out. There were multiple incidents that had teams and drivers demand more cockpit protection.
The US windscreen will stop a bit of CF, it won't stop a full wheel assembly (which still come off in the biggest accidents) and it won't stop a car (or major part thereof).strad wrote: ↑02 Oct 2018, 00:35I'm not about to search out old articles but they were based on needing to protect Massa.
My point actually was that F1 should have gone the route of IndyCar with a clear shield.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dAN59VLV_Ww
https://www.motorsport.com/indycar/news ... 5/1389833/
Frye said that IndyCar had been consulting with the armed forces about materials used in military applications such as the canopies of Lockheed Martin F-16 fighter jets,
More significant is Lowe's assertion that the intention of the Halo is to deflect chunks of debris rather than the wayward spring that struck Felipe Massa such a potentially devastating blow.
The Halo system’s ability to guard against large impactors adequately addresses the incidents that claimed the lives of Henry Surtees and Justin Wilson. However, it doesn’t address the small-object events such as Massa’s being struck by Barrichello’s spring. Light debris such as bits of klag or carbon can be safely deflected by the driver’s helmet, but larger, more massive objects such as a spring, a wheel nut, or a suspension member carry energies capable of overwhelming even modern helmet systems.
Are there pros and cons to both systems?The Halo would have been minimally effective at preventing the spring that struck Massa from intruding on the cockpit. This is an area where the Shield system is substantially more effective.