2018 Scuderia Toro Rosso F1 Team - Honda

[yener]

Seems to me they had problems with probably an new MGU-H/K. Was there a update beside the ICE spec3? If yes, RIP torro Rosso, RB and offcourse Honda. It would meen they used the Brake problem as a smoke window

[Jerrycobra]

Seems to me they had problems with probably an new MGU-H/K. Was there a update beside the ICE spec3? If yes, RIP torro Rosso, RB and offcourse Honda. It would meen they used the Brake problem as a smoke window

AFAIK they completely reverted back to spec 2 components, no spec 3 stuff was in the car. The way Gasly and Hartley spun as soon as they hit the brakes, it points/goes along with to brake issues.

[Bill]

Spec 3 brings 0.5 additional performance Str and Rbr will do just fine no need to rest in "piece "

[ispano6]

Seems to me they had problems with probably an new MGU-H/K. Was there a update beside the ICE spec3? If yes, RIP torro Rosso, RB and offcourse Honda. It would meen they used the Brake problem as a smoke window

You wish.

[Redragon]

Seems to me they had problems with probably an new MGU-H/K. Was there a update beside the ICE spec3? If yes, RIP torro Rosso, RB and offcourse Honda. It would meen they used the Brake problem as a smoke window

Why so happy to point out Honda? What's the point? they have been doing steady progress this year. Also you should inform yourself a bit better before commenting. No spec 3 was mounted on the Toro Rossos today so Bake problem smoke would not cover any problem on spec 3 as there wasn't any.

[shingles]

Seems to me they had problems with probably an new MGU-H/K. Was there a update beside the ICE spec3? If yes, RIP torro Rosso, RB and offcourse Honda. It would meen they used the Brake problem as a smoke window

Yes it’s a bs. They lied. The engine was crap so they asked both drivers to spin out in the same lap and fake a brake problem.

Give it a rest man...

[ispano6]

Tost:
"For whatever reason we ended up with very hot front brakes and one piston in the calipers got stuck. This caused the overheating of the brake fluid and a long pedal. Therefore, we called the drivers to come to the garage. Obviously, being in Parc Fermé conditions, we didn't change anything from yesterday, so we need to investigate further what the reason is."

Pierre had a scary moment:
"Pierre Gasly revealed that he was hit in the helmet by a piece of debris on the opening lap of the Russian Grand Prix. The Toro Rosso driver escaped unharmed from the bizarre incident, but soon ran out of luck as brake failure caused his retirement from the race on just the sixth lap."

https://www.gpfans.com/en/articles/2818 ... to-my-eye/

That piece of carbon(or similar) that hit Gasly probably wasn't the reason for the brake failure but I suspect it might have to do with STR13s brake duct shape picking up tyre marbles and clogging the brakes. In many other series such as Super GT, considerable effort is taken to remove the worn tyre debris from the front vents and airdam during the pitstop.

[Squid]

This is from the FIA's parts replacement during Parc Fermé report. STR did change some things during Parc Fermé, including brake components, but they were all identical parts. Something went wrong with the installation perhaps?

Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda:

Car 28:
LHS floor tyre seal
LHS and RHS rear brake duct blanking

Car 10:
RHS forward floor livelock
Rear brake friction material
LHS and RHS rear brake duct blanking
Rear brake wear and caliper pressure sensor calibrations

[etusch]

[brrr]

Interesting information from Ted Kravitz

[ispano6]

This is from the FIA's parts replacement during Parc Fermé report. STR did change some things during Parc Fermé, including brake components, but they were all identical parts. Something went wrong with the installation perhaps?

Scuderia Toro Rosso Honda:

Car 28:
LHS floor tyre seal
LHS and RHS rear brake duct blanking

Car 10:
RHS forward floor livelock
Rear brake friction material
LHS and RHS rear brake duct blanking
Rear brake wear and caliper pressure sensor calibrations

Those parts indicate changes for the rear but the failures were in the front brakes. Maybe parts of the brake system suffered some kind of fault due to an installation error of a harness etc. That it happened in both cars seems more like a design or batch issue.

[Wouter]

Honda checking if engine upgrade can run in Japan

"We need to evaluate the test data," Honda F1 technical director Toyoharu Tanabe told Motorsport.com.

"We plan to have a dyno test with the new spec and then we will try to optimise our calibration.

"Then if the level of optimisation is suitable for the race application, we will decide yes or no [if we use it]."

In the current situation, Honda believes it will be able to make the necessary calibration improvements in only a few days.

"It's not very easy but not impossible to optimise the calibration," said Tanabe.

Honda's upgraded was lauded by Toro Rosso and its drivers in Russia, with team principal Franz Tost declaring it had move it in front of Renault in the engine pecking order.

Tanabe would not comment on that comparison but said he was satisfied with Honda's progress.

"The simple and easy one is power," he said. "We see some improvement as we expected. That's the main item which we found this weekend with the new unit.

"We're happy to introduce a new upgraded spec here for Friday. We're not so happy we needed to change and step back the spec for Saturday and Sunday.

"We see some positive performance with the new spec. It's actually a negative, but to us is a positive, [that] we found some areas we need to improve for race application.
"That's why it's 50/50!"

[Wouter]

Toro Rosso
We’ve arrived at Honda’s F1 R&D facility in Sakura.

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/10 ... 4506994691

First up, and most important, lunch!

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/10 ... 3272325120

https://twitter.com/ToroRosso/status/10 ... 7901176832

[yener]

Everybody who made fun of my comment, Tanabee just admitted there was some unusual behaviour of the engine af FP1 and 2 besides the "calibration" problem. Again, i hope that iḿ wrong. But i don believe they will use the new PU at Suzuka.

[McMika98]

Stay off whatever you are smoking. They didnt use spec 3 in sat and sun. So why didn't the brakes fail in Sat if it was due to engine. Spec 3 clearly had harsh upshifts and potential oscillation issues causing harmful stress and wear. My hunch is the next race we might see a complete RedBull designed gearbox which syncs with the new spec.