2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[Chicane]

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[RonDennis]

Sorry to ask guys, but which is the reason for the lack of updates since may(according to Alonso)? no money or they are simply 100% focused on next year´s car ?

Because this car is an utter piece of crap. Every penny you throw at it, is one wasted. It has been from day 1.

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Didn't really understand the tweet by Fabrega. What should McLaren have done? They have giving up on the 2018 season months ago, so what did he expect, that they would move closer to the front without any development.

[Jolle]

Sorry to ask guys, but which is the reason for the lack of updates since may(according to Alonso)? no money or they are simply 100% focused on next year´s car ?

With the admission of Brown a few months ago that it was not just Honda and the changes in management were much to blame, they, in my view, knew or admitted that the problem is the structure within McLaren and several choices made before and for 2018 were not good. The car itself isn't their biggest concern right now, strangely enough.

Money is a part of it and that is obvious for the choices they already made for 2019. At the investment for drivers for instance, they have managed to slash that budget with around 25-30 million with conscious decision that it won't be on the same level as 2018.

Looks like they are going to use 2019 and 2020 for further restructure with additions like Key. Giving themselves two years to build a team, find a PU works partner, develop Norris and find a commercial partner. Basically build a team from scratch.

[Vasconia]

Sorry to ask guys, but which is the reason for the lack of updates since may(according to Alonso)? no money or they are simply 100% focused on next year´s car ?

With the admission of Brown a few months ago that it was not just Honda and the changes in management were much to blame, they, in my view, knew or admitted that the problem is the structure within McLaren and several choices made before and for 2018 were not good. The car itself isn't their biggest concern right now, strangely enough.

Money is a part of it and that is obvious for the choices they already made for 2019. At the investment for drivers for instance, they have managed to slash that budget with around 25-30 million with conscious decision that it won't be on the same level as 2018.

Looks like they are going to use 2019 and 2020 for further restructure with additions like Key. Giving themselves two years to build a team, find a PU works partner, develop Norris and find a commercial partner. Basically build a team from scratch.

Those adds will need time to build a truly competitive car but I hope they can learn something from 2018 and in 2019 they should be a decent car. At the beginning of this season the car wan´t that terrible so hopefully next year will be better. They will have two young and talented drivers so I am sure they will push for it.

To find a PU works partner would be essential but I am afraid the time for do it for 2021 its over. Isn´t it?


Thank you for the answers guys.

[cyclon]

Right On !

Except there are good foundations. No from scratch job has to be done!

[Vasconia]

James Key can not arrive soon enough....

We are in desperate need of GOOD Management.

Do we know when will it be ?

[cyclon]

Sorry to ask guys, but which is the reason for the lack of updates since may(according to Alonso)? no money or they are simply 100% focused on next year´s car ?

With the admission of Brown a few months ago that it was not just Honda and the changes in management were much to blame, they, in my view, knew or admitted that the problem is the structure within McLaren and several choices made before and for 2018 were not good. The car itself isn't their biggest concern right now, strangely enough.

Money is a part of it and that is obvious for the choices they already made for 2019. At the investment for drivers for instance, they have managed to slash that budget with around 25-30 million with conscious decision that it won't be on the same level as 2018.

Looks like they are going to use 2019 and 2020 for further restructure with additions like Key. Giving themselves two years to build a team, find a PU works partner, develop Norris and find a commercial partner. Basically build a team from scratch.

Those adds will need time to build a truly competitive car but I hope they can learn something from 2018 and in 2019 they should be a decent car. At the beginning of this season the car wan´t that terrible so hopefully next year will be better. They will have two young and talented drivers so I am sure they will push for it.

To find a PU works partner would be essential but I am afraid the time for do it for 2021 its over. Isn´t it?


Thank you for the answers guys.

Time for 2021 PU is not over if you are already in talks, the problem is the manufacturer to enter F1.

[Jolle]

Sorry to ask guys, but which is the reason for the lack of updates since may(according to Alonso)? no money or they are simply 100% focused on next year´s car ?

With the admission of Brown a few months ago that it was not just Honda and the changes in management were much to blame, they, in my view, knew or admitted that the problem is the structure within McLaren and several choices made before and for 2018 were not good. The car itself isn't their biggest concern right now, strangely enough.

Money is a part of it and that is obvious for the choices they already made for 2019. At the investment for drivers for instance, they have managed to slash that budget with around 25-30 million with conscious decision that it won't be on the same level as 2018.

Looks like they are going to use 2019 and 2020 for further restructure with additions like Key. Giving themselves two years to build a team, find a PU works partner, develop Norris and find a commercial partner. Basically build a team from scratch.

Those adds will need time to build a truly competitive car but I hope they can learn something from 2018 and in 2019 they should be a decent car. At the beginning of this season the car wan´t that terrible so hopefully next year will be better. They will have two young and talented drivers so I am sure they will push for it.

To find a PU works partner would be essential but I am afraid the time for do it for 2021 its over. Isn´t it?


Thank you for the answers guys.

At the beginning of the year the car was terrible... forgot winter testing? It took some teams a few races to understand the tires and their car and from that point on McLaren was dead last.

[Vasconia]

Time for 2021 PU is not over if you are already in talks, the problem is the manufacturer to enter F1.

Indeed, I was thinking about this.

[Jolle]

With the admission of Brown a few months ago that it was not just Honda and the changes in management were much to blame, they, in my view, knew or admitted that the problem is the structure within McLaren and several choices made before and for 2018 were not good. The car itself isn't their biggest concern right now, strangely enough.

Money is a part of it and that is obvious for the choices they already made for 2019. At the investment for drivers for instance, they have managed to slash that budget with around 25-30 million with conscious decision that it won't be on the same level as 2018.

Looks like they are going to use 2019 and 2020 for further restructure with additions like Key. Giving themselves two years to build a team, find a PU works partner, develop Norris and find a commercial partner. Basically build a team from scratch.

Those adds will need time to build a truly competitive car but I hope they can learn something from 2018 and in 2019 they should be a decent car. At the beginning of this season the car wan´t that terrible so hopefully next year will be better. They will have two young and talented drivers so I am sure they will push for it.

To find a PU works partner would be essential but I am afraid the time for do it for 2021 its over. Isn´t it?


Thank you for the answers guys.

Time for 2021 PU is not over if you are already in talks, the problem is the manufacturer to enter F1.

Of course McLaren is maybe, in the true McLaren way, a bit over optimistic regarding getting a better deal. With having their own sportscar business now, a lot of potential partners are impossible. So no Porsche/Audi/VW, no BMW. This leaves companies currently not in the (sport)car business and companies with the engineering capabilities to compete against ChryslerFiat, Renault, Honda and Daimler are very very hard to find.

[cyclon]

Whenever talking about PU,
talk about politics !

Lot of money there !

[diffuser]

With the admission of Brown a few months ago that it was not just Honda and the changes in management were much to blame, they, in my view, knew or admitted that the problem is the structure within McLaren and several choices made before and for 2018 were not good. The car itself isn't their biggest concern right now, strangely enough.

Money is a part of it and that is obvious for the choices they already made for 2019. At the investment for drivers for instance, they have managed to slash that budget with around 25-30 million with conscious decision that it won't be on the same level as 2018.

Looks like they are going to use 2019 and 2020 for further restructure with additions like Key. Giving themselves two years to build a team, find a PU works partner, develop Norris and find a commercial partner. Basically build a team from scratch.

Those adds will need time to build a truly competitive car but I hope they can learn something from 2018 and in 2019 they should be a decent car. At the beginning of this season the car wan´t that terrible so hopefully next year will be better. They will have two young and talented drivers so I am sure they will push for it.

To find a PU works partner would be essential but I am afraid the time for do it for 2021 its over. Isn´t it?


Thank you for the answers guys.

Time for 2021 PU is not over if you are already in talks, the problem is the manufacturer to enter F1.

There will not be a works PU partnership for a long time. They just got out of one and you're already dreaming for the next one? Why do you think the next one would be any different than the last one? Renault have always been very fair with the teams they're partnering with. We just need them to up their PU game. They also make for a good measuring stick which is what was sorely missing before.

I don't think there will be new PU reg for atleast another 5 years.

[mclaren111]

James Key can not arrive soon enough....

We are in desperate need of GOOD Management.

Do we know when will it be ?

Not at this stage.

RBR said they will not let him go earlier. Someone posted a few weeks ago that there is a rumor that he can start after 6 months from giving notice to RBR. Not sure how accurate that is ??

[M840TR]

James Key can not arrive soon enough....

We are in desperate need of GOOD Management.

Do we know when will it be ?

Not at this stage.

RBR said they will not let him go earlier. Someone posted a few weeks ago that there is a rumor that he can start after 6 months from giving notice to RBR. Not sure how accurate that is ??

It's based on the usual duration of gardening leave according to EU laws. Might have some merit.

[charliesmithhd]

Updated: shows Norris helmet and number, mirror mounted on halo, front wing recolour and extra vane on top of sidepod under horizontal element. Should I do a side on version?