F1 and chemistry - suggested reading?

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Hello guys and gals,

I’m starting mechanical engineering this coming semester (Aug). I’m only taking chemistry and chemistry lab courses (i also work). While they are the basic courses I would like to be ready to relate theoretical concepts to real life and more specifically to one of my main passions which is F1, and of course cars in general. So do you have any reading/papers you can suggest? I’m thinking:

- Grip, the chemical part of grip/friction amongst two different surfaces. Whether we’re talking tyre to asphalt, or brake/caliper, clutches, aero drag, etc
- Lubrication. I guess this is the most obvious one
- Combustion? Batteries in the light of the new regeneration systems?
- Materials in general. What compounds have which properties and how that relates to chosing compound A over compound B. Maybe some good stuff on carbon fiber? or special finishes/coatings on parts for better performance/longevity?
- Coolants? I did find a couple threads on this one, good stuff there

In essence I’m interested in any reading material on these or other similar topics. At the moment I barely remember chemistry classes from highschool (94’!), so I guess I’m looking for not overly technical papers.


Thanks in advance!
Alejandro L.

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Ask Massa if you need advice on lubricants. :lol:

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In less words, I'm looking for any reading chemistry material related to cars/F1 ;)
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alelanza wrote:
- Combustion? Batteries in the light of the new regeneration systems?
Surely. you forgot the most important aspect. Fuel and it's properties.
And the latest trend in cars the bio diesel, ethanol etc etc.

Best Of Luck for your course.

Cheers
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HKS wrote:
alelanza wrote:
- Combustion? Batteries in the light of the new regeneration systems?
Surely. you forgot the most important aspect. Fuel and it's properties.
And the latest trend in cars the bio diesel, ethanol etc etc.

Best Of Luck for your course.

Cheers
Yes indeed, would you have any links that i can have a look at on said subject?
And thanks!!!
Alejandro L.

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alelanza wrote:Hello guys and gals,

I’m starting mechanical engineering this coming semester (Aug). I’m only taking chemistry and chemistry lab courses (i also work). While they are the basic courses I would like to be ready to relate theoretical concepts to real life and more specifically to one of my main passions which is F1, and of course cars in general. So do you have any reading/papers you can suggest? I’m thinking:

- Grip, the chemical part of grip/friction amongst two different surfaces. Whether we’re talking tyre to asphalt, or brake/caliper, clutches, aero drag, etc
- Lubrication. I guess this is the most obvious one
- Combustion? Batteries in the light of the new regeneration systems?
- Materials in general. What compounds have which properties and how that relates to chosing compound A over compound B. Maybe some good stuff on carbon fiber? or special finishes/coatings on parts for better performance/longevity?
- Coolants? I did find a couple threads on this one, good stuff there

In essence I’m interested in any reading material on these or other similar topics. At the moment I barely remember chemistry classes from highschool (94’!), so I guess I’m looking for not overly technical papers.


Thanks in advance!
I just finished my degree in Mechanical, i really liked it. There is one thing though.. I don't know how the American schools do it; but there is little Chemistry in the Reaction sense of the term in Mechanical Engineering.. (I did chemistry at A-level, i sorta didn't like it, but i respect it :D ).

You won't learn difficult reactions or anything.. You will only do the mechanical side of chemistry. Like Material science.. lattice structure, properties of materials, eutectic's, some polymer stuff..etc. Not any thing as deep as real chemistry.

The Lubrication part is called Tribology, so you can research that if you are interested.

Combustion is more of an experimental empirical type of thing.. humans have not really been able to predict it from basic principles yet. But is more mechanical than chemical.

Engineering is more of ingeniously applying science to create/better something than actually doing the science itself. But i like how you thinking.

Overall, What separates a good mechanical engineer.. is your ability to "SEE" and Learning to draw is also important.Then Just combine creativity with them.

Mathematical ability is also important, it will makes some people look more competent than you, but any body can do math.

There is much more to Mech eng, I am very young (much younger than you lol) and i only know a tiny amount.. But i like when people have driving interests like myself.

cool still. :mrgreen:
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n smikle wrote:
alelanza wrote:Hello guys and gals,

I’m starting mechanical engineering this coming semester (Aug). I’m only taking chemistry and chemistry lab courses (i also work). While they are the basic courses I would like to be ready to relate theoretical concepts to real life and more specifically to one of my main passions which is F1, and of course cars in general. So do you have any reading/papers you can suggest? I’m thinking:

- Grip, the chemical part of grip/friction amongst two different surfaces. Whether we’re talking tyre to asphalt, or brake/caliper, clutches, aero drag, etc
- Lubrication. I guess this is the most obvious one
- Combustion? Batteries in the light of the new regeneration systems?
- Materials in general. What compounds have which properties and how that relates to chosing compound A over compound B. Maybe some good stuff on carbon fiber? or special finishes/coatings on parts for better performance/longevity?
- Coolants? I did find a couple threads on this one, good stuff there

In essence I’m interested in any reading material on these or other similar topics. At the moment I barely remember chemistry classes from highschool (94’!), so I guess I’m looking for not overly technical papers.


Thanks in advance!
I just finished my degree in Mechanical, i really liked it. There is one thing though.. I don't know how the American schools do it; but there is little Chemistry in the Reaction sense of the term in Mechanical Engineering.. (I did chemistry at A-level, i sorta didn't like it, but i respect it :D ).

You won't learn difficult reactions or anything.. You will only do the mechanical side of chemistry. Like Material science.. lattice structure, properties of materials, eutectic's, some polymer stuff..etc. Not any thing as deep as real chemistry.

The Lubrication part is called Tribology, so you can research that if you are interested.

Combustion is more of an experimental empirical type of thing.. humans have not really been able to predict it from basic principles yet. But is more mechanical than chemical.

Engineering is more of ingeniously applying science to create/better something than actually doing the science itself. But i like how you thinking.

Overall, What separates a good mechanical engineer.. is your ability to "SEE" and Learning to draw is also important.Then Just combine creativity with them.

Mathematical ability is also important, it will makes some people look more competent than you, but any body can do math.

There is much more to Mech eng, I am very young (much younger than you lol) and i only know a tiny amount.. But i like when people have driving interests like myself.

cool still. :mrgreen:
Very true, my plan only shows 2 chemistry courses + 2 workshops. BTW, i'm based in Costa Rica. I can't say I liked chemistry in highschool, but 13 years later it has become rather appealing and would like to make the most of the few courses i'm taking.
Reading up on eutectic and tribology as I type this :D
Glad you mentioned drawing, i guess my 4 years in architecture aren't entirely wasted after all :)

Thank you very much for all the great feedback!
Alejandro L.

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If chemistry and automobiles interest you, focus on chemical kinetics. It's a field that is becoming increasingly important as engine manufacturers now strive to minimize exhaust emissions and wring every last bit of efficiency out of IC engines, by controlling the combustion event even all the way down to the molecular level.

Accurately predicting, modeling and simulating the fluid dynamics, heat transfer and chemical kinetics of engine combustion, under varying conditions, is especially important with engine cycles like HCCI. To me it seems like a very interesting field of study, for both post grad work or as a career. It's a field of expertise that will likely be in high demand (and pay well!) for many years to come.
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Im an aero engineer, so I dont add much on the native chemistry question. On a high level however, I think a reasonable approach to this is either- what do you have the most interest in, OR, what is likely to yield a paying job on graduation. Ideally, they will overlap, but probably not :(

As such, I would add to the pot some consideration of composite engineering- which is a huge field in itself. But I think there is the common error in believing that an ME can design with composites right out of school- which is just not the case. You have anisotropic properties, interlaminar behaviors, different failure modes, different fastener approaches, etc. And, aside from being a critical technology for the commercial world in the coming decades/centuries, it also happens to be a key one in racing- sort of win/win given your query. And, there are not a lot of experts in the field just yet... Problem there is a catch-22, as there is not a ton of reading available. But you can always look to aerospace (like Rutan) for open discussion on their techniques, and also search patent engines for nearly anything- at least to get spun up on how people are doing things today.

Best,

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I was just reading last month that the Japanese automobile companies and Japanese government started an initiative to develop cheaper carbon fiber as composites may be less than a decade away, for production cars and could lower (it's suggested) production car weight by 30%. This coincides with Extra3000Pilot's suggestion, but you know, riff_raff makes chemical kinetics sound quite alluring. Here's some references concerning CF from 2007/2008. The first article is from just last week.
http://www.japantoday.com/category/tech ... p-in-japan
http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/24/hond ... bon-fiber/
http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid= ... efer=japan
http://www.mrc.co.jp/english/pressroom/ ... 70802.html
http://www.toray.com/news/carbon/nr070209.html

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alelanza - Oh yes; but you had wanted something to read.
This search was for lean burn combustion.
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Lean Burn Combustion, 101.
When a fuel is burned, its ideal Stoichiometric ratio is called the Lambda Ratio .... Lean burn is a fascinating concept. It will allow engine efficiency to ...
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Nonlinear dynamics of cycle-to-cycle combustion variations in a ......
Temporal dynamics of the combustion process in a lean-burn natural gas engine ... Natural gas engine ; Combustion ; Cycle-to-cycle variations ; Nonlinear ...
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Application of Flow Field Optimization to Lean Burn Engine ...
Application of Flow Field Optimization to Lean Burn Engine Development. ... the average (compared with stoichiometric emissions) at several selected running ...
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Lean burn natural gas engines as a possible power unit in urban ......
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