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Turbo - I looked back at Dan’s previous post in regard to this and he called it ‘fake news’ based on his error about the lower image being the Mercedes. That’s what I was triggered by. As you know I don’t come here these days and only did so on this occasion due to being pointed here by someone else.

@Just a fan - that was my exact line of enquiry, as without a bulkhead inside the rim you’d obviously get deflation. This only leaves the option of a cylindrical chamber for the air to circulate IMO and offers up the opportunity for heat to transfer between this chamber and the tyres volume and said heat then escapes through the gap in axle and wheel centre. Of course this creates a secondary aerodynamic effect but I think Mercedes had managed to convince the FIA that the effect was limited.

Ferrari have been quite clever here really, as they have not only been able to discern more about Mercedes ‘system’ through this consultation process but also created enough skepticism that they’d protest that Mercedes removed it anyway. It’s all smelling a bit like FRIC at the moment though, with this early system aimed at tyre temperature control but as you’ve noted, opening up the opportunity to use a similar system (perhaps more powerful) on the front hub, even though 2019’s rules are trying to prohibit that.

As for the actual way this system works, of course I can't be 100%, but this is how I understand it operates from the various interactions I've had with people on it.
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Matt Somers wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 18:08
Turbo - I looked back at Dan’s previous post in regard to this and he called it ‘fake news’ based on his error about the lower image being the Mercedes. That’s what I was triggered by. As you know I don’t come here these days and only did so on this occasion due to being pointed here by someone else.
I suggest you re-read what i said!
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dans79 wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 18:51
Matt Somers wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 18:08
Turbo - I looked back at Dan’s previous post in regard to this and he called it ‘fake news’ based on his error about the lower image being the Mercedes. That’s what I was triggered by. As you know I don’t come here these days and only did so on this occasion due to being pointed here by someone else.
I suggest you re-read what i said!
so are you still saying the pictures of modified mercedes rims are fake and actually red bulls? :roll:

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Just_a_fan wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 17:47
So the question is: in detail, what do the holes do? They don't connect in to the tyre volume, obviously, as that would cause the tyre to deflate. So where does the air in these holes go? Does it just get fired out through the V shaped voids
Matt Somers wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 18:08
that was my exact line of enquiry, as without a bulkhead inside the rim you’d obviously get deflation
This maybe sound a little adventurous, it was though one of my first thoughts when I read about the hole in the rim thing.
Could these holes be used for controlling tyre pressure/keeping pressure constant although the gas in the wheel gets warm and therefore the pressure rises. I could imagine some kind of overpressure valve, as used in water heating systems (only function wise).

What do u guys think?

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Gentlemen, this if drifting off topic and into a personal fight. Clear things up via PM if you must.

It is not so important who-said-what-when-copying-from-who-and-mislabeling-what. If you want to clear here which picture is showing what (that is important), please add the picture to the post. I suspect you are all talking about slightly different sets of pictures and this this could go on forever.

Or maybe we can just move on, as I suspect it is clear what is a Mercedes before USA, what is a Mercedes after the modification and what is the old Red Bull.
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Hollus, we’re talking about the same things, but moving on from whether it’s a Red Bull or Mercedes rim we’ve had it verified by Merc and the FIA that they altered the design in the States, so I don’t see why it was being contested anyway.
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Matt Somers wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 20:45
Hollus, we’re talking about the same things, but moving on from whether it’s a Red Bull or Mercedes rim we’ve had it verified by Merc and the FIA that they altered the design in the States, so I don’t see why it was being contested anyway.
Because as Turbo said, the photo that was used to represent the changes is misleading.
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dans79 wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 20:47
Matt Somers wrote:
24 Oct 2018, 20:45
Hollus, we’re talking about the same things, but moving on from whether it’s a Red Bull or Mercedes rim we’ve had it verified by Merc and the FIA that they altered the design in the States, so I don’t see why it was being contested anyway.
Because as Turbo said, the photo that was used to represent the changes is misleading.
Hoho, I specifically said "the video", "it's only a detail" "doesn't change the story" and "should have read the article to begin with".

Like Hollus said, can we please stop this tangent? I think Matt was kind enough to provide a picture from Piola.

For the record: thanks for that picture and the clarification, Matt.
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A photo from Mexico
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Morteza wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 08:58
A photo from Mexico
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUEXPIU4AAx3OR.jpg
Did they change the wheel ribs?

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M840TR wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 09:10
Morteza wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 08:58
A photo from Mexico
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUEXPIU4AAx3OR.jpg
Did they change the wheel ribs?
If we use this photo for comparison, they have gone back to what they had before US Grand Prix
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M840TR wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 09:10
Morteza wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 08:58
A photo from Mexico
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUEXPIU4AAx3OR.jpg
Did they change the wheel ribs?
No. The inside has always looked like that.

The holes aren’t covered up anymore though.

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zibby43 wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 09:37
M840TR wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 09:10
Morteza wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 08:58
A photo from Mexico
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUEXPIU4AAx3OR.jpg
Did they change the wheel ribs?
No. The inside has always looked like that.

The holes aren’t covered up anymore though.
Looks different here.

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M840TR wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 09:10
Morteza wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 08:58
A photo from Mexico
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUEXPIU4AAx3OR.jpg
Did they change the wheel ribs?
They removed those I think (although again note the wheel is reversed). Could be due the high altitude requiring more cooling.
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turbof1 wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 10:25
M840TR wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 09:10
Morteza wrote:
25 Oct 2018, 08:58
A photo from Mexico
https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DqUEXPIU4AAx3OR.jpg
Did they change the wheel ribs?
They removed those. Could be due the high altitude requiring more cooling.
Cooling for what? the tyres? Because they can control tyre temps in the blankets and open the ducts for the brakes.