2018 McLaren F1 Team - Renault

[M840TR]

Did Stroll really deserved that penalty? He was almost alongside Alonso, almost as close as his front wheels, driving on the really inner side of that corner, while the next corner is the opposite direction. He did not brake late. Alonso took a real tight move right.

He cut the corner. Alonso had the racing line. "Track limits!"

[taperoo2k]

Did Stroll really deserved that penalty? He was almost alongside Alonso, almost as close as his front wheels, driving on the really inner side of that corner, while the next corner is the opposite direction. He did not brake late. Alonso took a real tight move right.

Alonso was on the racing line and Stroll was outside the track limits. Drivers have a responsibility to rejoin the track in a safe manner to avoid accidents. Stroll caused an avoidable accident by rejoining at that point, thus the punishment was correct.

[RonDennis]

No comments after the race or quality. Really is bad isn't it.

Not really. I think most of us considering this season done. Why even talk about. They haven't introduced any updates since Spain and they're at the back of the grid every race. I don't even want to talk about Vandoorne, while Alonso was already out on the first lap. Good thing that the race was awesome.

Stroll was driving like he was playing F1 2018.

[Big Tea]

Coca Cola is extremly bad for helth.

Red Bull is at least, if not more so, bad for your health.

2 weeks ago I was in an airport and 2 'hyper' kids were running riot. Last thing before going to the gate 'mom' got them a huge Monster each. They bounced the whole flight. Just glad I was waaay behind them.

[seventhsin]

I visit this thread every so often to get insight into McLarens future. The one thing I notice after every single race is that a few members pipe up saying how miserable the performance is, can't believe they're at the back, drawing comparisons to the Honda years and so on.

Now, I'm not even an avid McLaren follower, but even I know that they all but abandoned development of this year's car quite some time ago. It was already reasonably slow for whatever reasons so the results of this part of the season should come as no surprise no matter how poor they may seem.

Negativity breeds negativity, so perhaps some of you should be more tight lipped about results which are more than predictable and start focussing on positives. I'm sure that's what the team are doing.

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[charliesmithhd]

I visit this thread every so often to get insight into McLarens future. The one thing I notice after every single race is that a few members pipe up saying how miserable the performance is, can't believe they're at the back, drawing comparisons to the Honda years and so on.

Now, I'm not even an avid McLaren follower, but even I know that they all but abandoned development of this year's car quite some time ago. It was already reasonably slow for whatever reasons so the results of this part of the season should come as no surprise no matter how poor they may seem.

Negativity breeds negativity, so perhaps some of you should be more tight lipped about results which are more than predictable and start focussing on positives. I'm sure that's what the team are doing.

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I think most people here are disappointed with the results, but are interested in the areas that need to improve. To work out these areas, you need to be critical of the current car and structure of the team

[diffuser]

Did Stroll really deserved that penalty? He was almost alongside Alonso, almost as close as his front wheels, driving on the really inner side of that corner, while the next corner is the opposite direction. He did not brake late. Alonso took a real tight move right.

Alonso had another car on his left. Both those 2 cars had all for 4 wheels between the lines.

[godlameroso]

I visit this thread every so often to get insight into McLarens future. The one thing I notice after every single race is that a few members pipe up saying how miserable the performance is, can't believe they're at the back, drawing comparisons to the Honda years and so on.

Now, I'm not even an avid McLaren follower, but even I know that they all but abandoned development of this year's car quite some time ago. It was already reasonably slow for whatever reasons so the results of this part of the season should come as no surprise no matter how poor they may seem.

Negativity breeds negativity, so perhaps some of you should be more tight lipped about results which are more than predictable and start focussing on positives. I'm sure that's what the team are doing.

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Thing is they have to live with the results. It can be demoralizing knowing the best you can achieve is to not finish dead last. Everyone here and McLaren themselves know they are capable of so much more. I think a lot of parties(not just McLaren) just want this season to end already because it's just an exercise in frustration. Knowing next year will be completely different and knowing your hands are tied this year can be and is demoralizing.

[McG]

Glad I could get the conversation up and running again

[Jolle]

I read that (RedBull) driver Ticktum had his run in a 2013 McLaren because of his award. Just wondering how they run this car. I guess it has a Mercedes V8 in the back... Would have been quite a fun gathering in the pitlane. RedBull managers, McLaren team and a couple of Mercedes engineers

[charliesmithhd]

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/superc ... -speedtail
new McLaren road car announced. Just wondered if McLaren has taken people from its race team to work on road car projects. Seems like since McLaren started again with the 12c, the f1 teams performance has dropped

[bauc]

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/superc ... -speedtail
new McLaren road car announced. Just wondered if McLaren has taken people from its race team to work on road car projects. Seems like since McLaren started again with the 12c, the f1 teams performance has dropped

Mclaren Automotive and Mclaren F1 Racing were two separate entities in the Mclaren Group until Dennis sold his shares last year and they merged back under one ownership. However, no reports were ever made (To my knowledge) that F1 brains and human power were transferred to the road car project, and thus sacrificing its F1 development.

Mclaren, it their own word's lost the competitive edge when they become a team of engineers instead a team of racers. Key people left, few wrong concepts led to disastrous cars, they overestimated Honda early potential and the late switch to Renault led to the point were Mclaren is now.

One thing I will always respect with Mclaren is that they are never afraid to take a risk, to try new concepts even that might lead them to a disaster. Few years back we saw the “Octopus” exhaust layout on the MP4-26 that proven to be too hard to manage in terms of heat, the strange U shaped sidepods, we saw the Butterfly rear suspension which did not worked as well, we now have this weird nose on the MCL-33 ect, but we had a few good examples with the F-Duct, or with the third peddal, or the super slim nose of the MP4-17/18/19.

So as much painful it is to be Mclaren supporter this days, its also a fun ride and I'm sure they will be back, we will win again!

[Bill]

Still winging about Honda,Mclaren are even slower after Honda left them,who is to say they were not holding Honda back in past,they were offered a competitive pu in second half of 2016 they didn't do anything special with it

[WaikeCU]

https://www.topgear.com/car-news/superc ... -speedtail
new McLaren road car announced. Just wondered if McLaren has taken people from its race team to work on road car projects. Seems like since McLaren started again with the 12c, the f1 teams performance has dropped

Mclaren Automotive and Mclaren F1 Racing were two separate entities in the Mclaren Group until Dennis sold his shares last year and they merged back under one ownership. However, no reports were ever made (To my knowledge) that F1 brains and human power were transferred to the road car project, and thus sacrificing its F1 development.

Mclaren, it their own word's lost the competitive edge when they become a team of engineers instead a team of racers. Key people left, few wrong concepts led to disastrous cars, they overestimated Honda early potential and the late switch to Renault led to the point were Mclaren is now.

One thing I will always respect with Mclaren is that they are never afraid to take a risk, to try new concepts even that might lead them to a disaster. Few years back we saw the “Octopus” exhaust layout on the MP4-26 that proven to be too hard to manage in terms of heat, the strange U shaped sidepods, we saw the Butterfly rear suspension which did not worked as well, we now have this weird nose on the MCL-33 ect, but we had a few good examples with the F-Duct, or with the third peddal, or the super slim nose of the MP4-17/18/19.

So as much painful it is to be Mclaren supporter this days, its also a fun ride and I'm sure they will be back, we will win again!

It's easier said than done. Just look at Ferrari, how bad management can lead to years and years without a Championship and that's with a car that is competitive at the front end of the grid.

Mclaren is a whole different matter. It seems that not only management is bad, but the engineers are not on the level that we expect of a racing pedigree with a name like Mclaren. A lot has to happen to turn things around. I think it will take a decade before we see Mclaren fight for a Championship again.

[JordanMugen]

I think most people here are disappointed with the results, but are interested in the areas that need to improve. To work out these areas, you need to be critical of the current car and structure of the team

I don't understand how the team have managed to "bake in" some of the design around the leading edge of the floor, and are supposedly unable to change it (to say develop towards 2019). It seems so strange.

Would it be so impossible to make a pair of new tubs and new floors with the new concept looking towards 2019?

I notice that McLaren are proud of their sophisticated tub design which is incredibly labour-intensive to layup...

But can't they just be un-McLaren for once and make some "quick and dirty" basic F2-grade tubs, without sophisticated layups, so they can make the aeroynamic changes they need to get themselves up the grid with improved aero performance! Even if it means carrying an extra 2.3 kg and a fraction less less torsional stiffness in their tub!

Knowing next year will be completely different and knowing your hands are tied this year can be and is demoralizing.

It's the same rules next year though, only the front wing is different. Can't they wheel out the updates to the 2018 car!?

It's concerning that as late as the Spanish GP, McLaren had yet to realise there was anything fundamentally wrong with the design of their car. If they had realised then, then perhaps they could had a B-car ready by after the summer break?