One Car Team Entries????

[ESPImperium]

This is a thing ive been debating with myself for a while now. Since Super Aguri went out of buisness earlier this year, what if the FIA allowed say 4 one car teams into F1 to bolster the numbers.

In a age of cost cutting, could this work??? Could it have been a way for Super Aguri to stay in the game for another year and secure sponsorship for next year???

We need more drivers on the grid, i personally think this could be the answer.

[timbo]

I doubt that would work. Main expences are R&D and testing. They won't cut in half and yet you'd have only half of the advertising space.
That could work if consumer chassis were allowed, however teams are against it.

[Conceptual]

I doubt that would work. Main expences are R&D and testing. They won't cut in half and yet you'd have only half of the advertising space.
That could work if consumer chassis were allowed, however teams are against it.

Only because the teams dont think that purchased cars should be able to score constructor points, since that is where the tams make their money.

That is why I made the thread about manuf./privateer teams. It would still allow for the purchased cars to score points, but share them with their manufacturer. IE: Williams points + Toyota points = Williams/Toyota constructor points.

No more opposition to the money issue!

PS: This idea isnt fully developed yet, and I am sure that there are holes in it, but compared to the current state, and where F1 is going in the near future, we are going to lose the privateers due to their inability to financially compete in development through the season with a manufacturer.

Combining them would guarantee one privateer for every manufacturer, add more cars to the grid, and decrease the gap from pole to caboose.

Oh well, I have seen many brilliant ideas on this forum goto waste, so what is another one?

Chris

[guy_smiley]

A couple of you mentioned cost-cutting, and a certain broadcaster here made a good point during one of the races last year. His point: FIA/F1 wants to reduce costs, but the FIA keeps changing everything, so the teams have to spend millions and millions to keep up with the changes. Personally, I think his statement made more sense than just about anything else I've heard in my lifetime. The FIA wants to reduce costs, so they make the teams change from V-10s to V-8s: that's a few hundred million. Pat Symonds (this year) said that the engines that the FIA decided to homologate were the most expensive engines Renault has produced. Changes for 2009, including downforce reduction & KERS: a few more hundred million. I'm not doing this broadcaster's point 100% justice--it's second-handed coming from my mouth--but to sum it up, every change in the regs costs sooo much money while their stated aim is to reduce spending. Imagine all the money the teams would have saved if there weren't any changes from 2004 or even 2005.

Yes, the teams would be spending money anyway, but they'd be spending it purely on development which they do every year no matter what. Where they would save money is researching and developing all the new changes.

This broadcaster suggested a great and simple resolution to reduce the cars' speed (which was the aim of the FIA) without increasing costs--sadly I can't remember (of course) Anyway, I guess my post is more about the ridiculousness of the FIA more than anything.

On topic (finally), I do think the grid needs a few more cars. I know for certain that people have mentioned this, and to agree with them, IF one-car customer teams were allowed, the right solution would be for the driver to be included in the driver's championship but the team to be disallowed from the constructor's championship: in this case, by definition, they would not be a constructor.

[Belatti]

I´ll be a little snob with this one, so people with only one car won´t be allowed in my country club

[donskar]

Belatti, do you go back far enough to remember successful one-car independent teams? Rob Walker with Stirling Moss and later Jo Siffert? Hesketh with Hunt?

IF customer cars were allowed, we might see a few wealthy men entering the sport and helping add a little color and depth to the field. And as the examples above suggest, they could have some success.

[sebbe]

For heaven's sake!
What have you all been drinking? Brake fluid?

We need more drivers on the grid, i personally think this could be the answer.

Why would you want more drivers in the track? Let's say... 5 Takuma Satos aiming at each other!
Why don't we ASK for better drivers? Let's say one that does not spend the entire GP facing the wrong direction under the rain.

Belatti, do you go back far enough to remember successful one-car independent teams? Rob Walker with Stirling Moss and later Jo Siffert? Hesketh with Hunt?

That was a beautiful era, Donskar, but it's over.
Don't get me wrong, I am an idealist and romantic man as you seem to be, but let's face it, F1 is business, not a gentlemen club anymore.

On topic (finally), I do think the grid needs a few more cars. I know for certain that people have mentioned this, and to agree with them, IF one-car customer teams were allowed, the right solution would be for the driver to be included in the driver's championship but the team to be disallowed from the constructor's championship: in this case, by definition, they would not be a constructor.

Again, why do you need more teams in the Championship? Should Force India, Honda, Toyota, Super Aguri, et al, be a real opposition, THEN you wouldn't be asking for more teams.
More teams means more teams in the back, which traduces during the race in more car in front of the leaders lapping them. [-X

IF customer cars were allowed, we might see a few wealthy men entering the sport and helping add a little color and depth to the field. And as the examples above suggest, they could have some success.

Ok, how many wealthy men would that it serious enough to endure the physical training and discipline required for making a decent driver? Consider adding the risk of loosing your life you face in each race week end.
Yeap, nil.

Well, I will return to my regular duties with the satisfaction of having completed my work.

[Belatti]

The truth is, my friends, F1 is not amateur anymore...

[Patriiick]

You have to remember Andrea Moda in 1992... pretty much a one car team, with poor Perry Mccarthy just making up the numbers (and source of spare parts) and never making it past the end of the pitlane..

[Belatti]

You have to remember Andrea Moda in 1992... pretty much a one car team, with poor Perry Mccarthy just making up the numbers (and source of spare parts) and never making it past the end of the pitlane..

Andrea moda had 2 cars: Roberto Moreno was the only one who made the grid in Monaco 92, if I recall he endured 13 laps.

The last "single car" teams where Coloni and Fondmetal in 1991. Both sucked.

[Conceptual]

Regardless,

Privateers don't even stand a chance for a podium anymore, let alone a WCC/WDC.

Does anyone here actually believe that Williams will EVER be WCC again? If a manufacturer like BMW loses pace in development over the season, how can one expect a privately owned team to keep up? Especially when the budget differences are so enormous.

Anyways...........

Chris

[donskar]

Good points, sebbe, but one quibble:

Ok, how many wealthy men would that it serious enough to endure the physical training and discipline required for making a decent driver? Consider adding the risk of loosing your life you face in each race week end.
Yeap, nil.

I don't presume that wealthy men (or women) would drive the cars. Rob Walker and Lord Hesketh sponsored the cars. Wealthy men are willing to pay the bills while others compete. Here in the USA, rich men buy professional teams in baseball, basketball, and football. They do NOT play in the games, just sit in their luxury boxes and enjoy the ego trip and the life style.

I assume even some of the younger members of this forum at least remember the Prost and Larousse teams. It's not a huge leap to imagine M Schu (for example)raising the money to set up a competitive F1 team. In the past, retired (and sometimes active) F1 drivers started competitive teams (Brabham, McLaren, Surtees, etc). In those days less money and technical resources were required, but today there seems to be more rich men looking to buy into the glamour of sports teams.

Just some musings in the midst of tropical storm Eduard here in Houston, TX, USA.

[Conceptual]

Good points, sebbe, but one quibble:

Ok, how many wealthy men would that it serious enough to endure the physical training and discipline required for making a decent driver? Consider adding the risk of loosing your life you face in each race week end.
Yeap, nil.

I don't presume that wealthy men (or women) would drive the cars. Rob Walker and Lord Hesketh sponsored the cars. Wealthy men are willing to pay the bills while others compete. Here in the USA, rich men buy professional teams in baseball, basketball, and football. They do NOT play in the games, just sit in their luxury boxes and enjoy the ego trip and the life style.

I assume even some of the younger members of this forum at least remember the Prost and Larousse teams. It's not a huge leap to imagine M Schu (for example)raising the money to set up a competitive F1 team. In the past, retired (and sometimes active) F1 drivers started competitive teams (Brabham, McLaren, Surtees, etc). In those days less money and technical resources were required, but today there seems to be more rich men looking to buy into the glamour of sports teams.

Just some musings in the midst of tropical storm Eduard here in Houston, TX, USA.

Is there any hope of a M. Schumacher purchase of STR?

THAT would own!

Chris