Jaguar pulling out

Irvingthien · Post 17 Sep 2004, 13:39

Well, my worst fear has been confirmed. Next year we're gonna have only 18 cars on the grid. That makes it even boring. The problem is that the gap between the big teams and smaller teams are always expanding.
It's no use for Jaguar staying in F1, they've lost Malcolm Oastler in the early season and Mark Webber. It's obvious they don't have a future here. I hope Red Bull or someone else can buy out the team and form a stronger team.

uzael · Post 17 Sep 2004, 15:40

I really doubt anyone will have the time neccesary to convert jaguar into a runner for next year. I'm willing to bet that even if the teams get bought, no one will actually show up on the grid. Then we'll have 3 car teams showing up. That will bring 27 cars to the grid, but will make it almost impossible for anyone but the big three to score points. Hopefully something good will come out of this.

Monstrobolaxa · Post 17 Sep 2004, 17:19

It's too late in the season to make Jaguar a 2005 contender, the car is in it's final stages of design. And the biggest problem I see is that Cosworth might also pull out cause Ford is cutting it's financial support, leaving Minardi and Jordan standed....and besides that the 2005 "Jag" is designed around an engine that probably woun't be built 2005!

Monstrobolaxa · Post 17 Sep 2004, 17:23

Ok....COsworth has garantied that they will respect the Minardi contract for 2005!

bernard · Post 17 Sep 2004, 18:01

Would be cool to see Bernie buy Jaguar.
But more on the realistic side, this would give Arden's Christian Horner a much better platform into F1 than buying out Jordan. He said earlier this week he want's to move into F1, but that he will choose buying out an existing F1 team, rather than forming a new one. Jordan was suggested at the time, but this gives him a much better choice.
Or another choice would be a group a Chinese investors, to make a Chinese team. Would boost the viewer ratings over there.

Post 17 Sep 2004, 19:39

what's really the thing with three cars for the same team?
Do we really need 20 cars at least? Or can't F1 just run 18 cars in the case of Jag not being sold?

Monstrobolaxa · Post 17 Sep 2004, 20:38

The regs say that if the number of cars on the grid falls below 20 cars...teams will be asked to run 3 cars in order to bring the number of cars over 20!

bernard · Post 18 Sep 2004, 19:32

But that wouldn't mean 27 cars, but two teams would have to drive three cars.
By the way, does somebody know which teams would be made to drive three cars, because the third cars don't get worldchampionship points. Sounds like a major cost increase. So much for cutting costs for those teams. Would be cool if it were the top two teams. Ferrari and BAR. And then this seasons fifth team would get to race three cars in fiday practice, that being, say Mclaren. They would have ferrari by the neck.

Monstrobolaxa · Post 18 Sep 2004, 21:55

PS - only the top 4 teams from the previous year would have to race a third car!

bernard · Post 19 Sep 2004, 00:57

I said if mclaren was fifth this season they would get to race a third car in friday practice.
Anyway, how do you know the four top teams would be made to drive a third car? I haven't been able to find anywhere who really has to drive the extra cars. This would mean either Mclaren or Williams would only have to drive with two cars.
But now that I think about it... All the smaller teams have had three cars on the races this year. Doesn't that increase their costs? The amount of engines is one per weekend. You might as well use that same one to drive the race. So it actually might be an advantage, take for example Ferrari has two main racing cars, plus the car that doesn't get points only helps in finding the perfect setup. So in a way it's like a big team having a third car on friday... kind of.

Monstrobolaxa · Post 19 Sep 2004, 01:04

You caught me on that one bernard....

The 4 best temas from the previous year have to run 3 cars while the other ones can run one but are not obligated to do so. (I think that is what the concord agreement says on this)

bernard · Post 19 Sep 2004, 01:16

I wonder... if ferrari has to run three cars, would mclaren do the same even if they are not oblidged to? Small inrease in costs, but a major advantage in performance. I think they would.

Jag · Post 19 Sep 2004, 12:01

[quote="bernard"]I wonder... if ferrari has to run three carsquote]

Uh ... hi my first post here

... mate if Ferrari runs 3 cars then it'll be for sure the end of F1... F1 nowdays is costing a huge amount of money , Jag now left the danger is on Minardi and Jordan , BMW - Ferrari - Mercedes - Renault and Ford weren't happy with the costs of F1 and as u know there were talks between them to stop F1 and do a new private championship ... sooner or later the F1 will die , loosing a Giant constructor like Jag who was about to begin puting his nose in the front grids at 05 is a disaster , i'm a Jag supporter and if they lost Webber this year they were in talks with Davidson who confirmed a positive result ...

i know that Ford's exuse was money , but all of the exuses in the end will send us to see that Jag was about loosing HSBC and Becks also Red Bull ... the results of the team were bad this year but at least they managed to keep fast cars behind them , Ford was about to re-name Jag into Ford and they didn't ! they were about to bring all the money into Jag to make it a gr8 car and they didn't ...

I guess Jaguar's out and before it , there was a high danger on Minardi and Jordan and the out of Prost and Arrows will make the new coming teams fear ... despite that they aren't able to enter most of them is refusing the high costs of F1 !

Monstrobolaxa · Post 19 Sep 2004, 19:20

The top 4 teams from 2004 would have to run a third car all the other teams could choose if they wanted to or not.

sharkie17 · Post 19 Sep 2004, 22:41

Jag wrote: loosing a Giant constructor like Jag who was about to begin puting his nose in the front grids at 05 is a disaster , i'm a Jag supporter and if they lost Webber this year they were in talks with Davidson who confirmed a positive result ...

i know that Ford's exuse was money , but all of the exuses in the end will send us to see that Jag was about loosing HSBC and Becks also Red Bull ... the results of the team were bad this year but at least they managed to keep fast cars behind them , Ford was about to re-name Jag into Ford and they didn't ! they were about to bring all the money into Jag to make it a gr8 car and they didn't ...

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LOL!! Jag whos about to put its car in the front of the grid in 05?
hehe... im not being mean or anything but where have you been the past how ever many years Jags been racing?

Ford's intention from the START was not to win championships but to get the name Jaguar out to the world. The reason they lost HSBC was because of its lack of performance and non committment.