Spa to be shortened - Arrrrrrrgh

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HVS5b wrote:http://www.f1technical.net/news/10332

Hopefully that puts an end to that nonsense.

Thank the Big Man :D
Oh, my god. I'm breathing in relief. Spa? Shortened? After the crappy chicane they did last year? NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr

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Miguel wrote:After the crappy chicane they did last year?
Crappy? The one that actually had several overtakings + more attempts?...

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Thank god they are not changing it.

Along with Suzuka, Spa is the best F1 track in the world and we have already lost Suzuka. Changes to the chicane apart any other changes will ruin the whole character of the track.

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Saribro wrote:
Miguel wrote:After the crappy chicane they did last year?
Crappy? The one that actually had several overtakings + more attempts?...
I actually think that it's better than the 2004-2005 version of the Bus-Stop chicane with its sloooooooooooow right-left combination on the entry that was breaking the rythm of the lap so much.

The bobsleigh track-like pitlane entrance should be revised tho.

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Saribro wrote:
Miguel wrote:After the crappy chicane they did last year?
Crappy? The one that actually had several overtakings + more attempts?...
OK, I was a bit extremist. It's not crappy. It just feels slightly awkward in an otherwise fast flowing circuit. However, you will have to concede that unless you try really hard, any slow corner will yield a good overtaking opportunity after all the blanchimon sector.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr

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Project Four wrote:Thank god they are not changing it.

Along with Suzuka, Spa is the best F1 track in the world and we have already lost Suzuka. Changes to the chicane apart any other changes will ruin the whole character of the track.
Totally agree.

As for the chicane, I didn't like the changes either. They've made a slow, tricky entrance much simpler. A bit like the changes to the entry of Rascasse, subtle but makes a significant difference imo.

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HVS5b wrote:
Project Four wrote:Thank god they are not changing it.

Along with Suzuka, Spa is the best F1 track in the world and we have already lost Suzuka. Changes to the chicane apart any other changes will ruin the whole character of the track.
Totally agree.

As for the chicane, I didn't like the changes either. They've made a slow, tricky entrance much simpler. A bit like the changes to the entry of Rascasse, subtle but makes a significant difference imo.
wat do u mean the "tricky entrance"? are your referring to the one before the current one not the 2002 one?

Because the classic bus stop that every1 liked was the original 2002 version which was straight entry, the hardest entry would have been the 2nd bus stop type which was used up to 2005, this year and last year it's been a straight entry..

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As ernos5 says, the trricky entrance was only present in the 2004-2005 Belgian GPs. I actually didn't like that modification entry either. The thing is, brakin in a twisting section made the bus stop basically one-line only, and probably restricted the overtaking.
I am not amazed by F1 cars in Monaco. I want to see them driving in the A8 highway: Variable radius corners, negative banking, and extreme narrowings that Tilke has never dreamed off. Oh, yes, and "beautiful" weather tops it all.

"Prediction is very difficult, especially about the future." Niels Bohr

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ernos5 wrote:
HVS5b wrote:
Project Four wrote:Thank god they are not changing it.

Along with Suzuka, Spa is the best F1 track in the world and we have already lost Suzuka. Changes to the chicane apart any other changes will ruin the whole character of the track.
Totally agree.

As for the chicane, I didn't like the changes either. They've made a slow, tricky entrance much simpler. A bit like the changes to the entry of Rascasse, subtle but makes a significant difference imo.
wat do u mean the "tricky entrance"? are your referring to the one before the current one not the 2002 one?

Because the classic bus stop that every1 liked was the original 2002 version which was straight entry, the hardest entry would have been the 2nd bus stop type which was used up to 2005, this year and last year it's been a straight entry..
Yes, the original style chaicane @ 2002 was a straight entry, but the actual angle of the turn in and the line of the kerbs made sure no liberties could be taken on entry as this compromised the exit too much. The 2005 version made the braking zone trickier but the actual entry to the chicane easier with wider, flatter kerbs making it easier to get the power down on exit.

Seems like now they have both the easy braking zone plus easy turn in line/kerbs #-o

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Mark Webber discussing Spa on the Autosport website discussed the track reprofiling and the fact that it may not be as great a challenge as it once was. But he is still in awe of it.

"It is a great thing to take a Formula One car through there, you fly out of the top like a cork," Webber told autosport.com. "It is spectacular.

"The plunge down - unless you have been there for real, people don't realise how steep it is on the way down, with the compression at the bottom and the wall you climb up and come out the top.

"It is impressive - you smell the wood of the plank as you blast out of the top at 200mph."

Webber believes that Eau Rouge remains so well liked because it is such a unique turn, rather than because it is a challenge to drive through as fast as possible.

"The feeling is what it is all about. The challenge is not as it used to be, with the V10s we used to arrive there right on the edge, and in the tyre war days it was quick. But now the cars are a bit more stable through there.

"You certainly want your car to stay together through there, as it will be a massive shunt if you have any mechanical failures at any stage through that section. When you arrive there, you have to respect it for sure. You have to concentrate on your line, get it alright and come out of the top. It is over pretty quick."

And although Webber concedes that Eau Rouge is now far safer than it was in the past, he thinks any complaints it has been made too safe should be ignored.

"It is still a corner that we massively respect. All of us on the grid we like the adrenaline and the danger, which is exactly why we drive these cars. We love it.

"If you want to put a concrete wall at the top that is 90-degrees to the track that is crazy. We should never move barriers back in to make it more dangerous. No one likes to see guys airlifted to hospital and maybe not come out of it.

"They have done a really good compromise on it. You can still go in hard there if you get it wrong, if the tyre pressures are out or the plank touches."
He added: "It is natural that guys will say, back in the day it was more dangerous, but actually what Senna and co drove, they were pussies compared to what Jack Brabham drove. The sport moves on. The real heroes were back in the 1960s and 1970s."