Has Hamilton melted the Iceman?

[Nikko2]

As an aside to all the discussions about penalties that are flooding the web.

I was a bit surprised to see Kimi seemingly lose his head when Hamilton piled the pressure on in the wet.

Despite the earlier and now controversial incident Kimi had managed to get himself back in front of Hamilton only to spin twice and throw a hat full of points away.

Another poor result for the WC and former Iceman IMHO.

[MattF1]

Seemed to me like bad luck in a car that was not suited to the conditions today.

[modbaraban]

Seemed to me like bad luck in a car that was not suited to the conditions today.

I agree. It's not the first time when Ferrari have more trouble in the wet compared to McL. As soon as the rain started the significant lead vanished away. Both Ferraris should have went for the intermediates right after the trouble began.

[Belatti]

I´m starting to like Lewis the same way I used to like a Brazilian who used to race for the same team and used to win championships...

[Michiba]

I think it's pretty hard to compare the two cars today, given that they were driving in the wet with dry tyres on.

[axle]

It's well known that the Mac is better on the slippery stuff, look at Silverstone. Lewis is a talent in these conditions BUT he's also in the best car for them too.

The Ferrari seems to fall apart under BOTH drivers in the wet, as Kimi said post race he wanted all or nothing - pushed too hard when the car wasn't able to respond.

[Nikko2]

I still suspect he cracked under the pressure.

If on a BB we have a reasonably good idea that the Mclaren is the better car than the Ferrari in the wet then Kimi and Ferrari must know for certain. The fact Hamilton reeled him in so quickly after the rain started would have given them a small heads up.

I just got the impression that Kimi was do or die racer at the end and not a cold calculating Iceman. If he had been he would have taken the 8 points.

Perhaps some of the speculation was correct and it was do or die for his WC yesterday. I guess we will find out at Monza.

[Tehillim]

Raikkonen's melted, but it's more down to Massa. He knew he had to win in Spa, coming second wasn't enough. I've never seen him drive like that, nearly pushing Massa onto the grass on the approach to Les Combes, and later doing a Damon Hill shimmy at La Source to frighten off Hamilton at the end of the race. Really aggressive driving which we just don't see from him. Desperate driving to keep in the championship fight, I can't say I blame him, an acting WDC forced to act as the support driver? It's not a nice position to be in.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

I agree, Kimi has lost his edge, but I also think that its more down to Massa. Say Massa wasn't involved in the championship Kimi could - in his mind at least - claim an inferior car, hence the loss of form relative to his championship rival. BUT, he can't do that when Massa's showing him the way forward in the same machinary.

Massa got momentum, and its not like Kimi lost the ability to drive, but he's lost that momentum which Massa currently has in abundace.

Personally I think its time Kimi helped Massa, if he doesn't they could end up Handing the title to Mclaren in a rather ironic repeat of Mclaren's problems last year (having two supposedly equal #1's racing against eachother in the final 3races when Ferrari had the luxury of a rear gunner or Kimi), in short, the LAST thing Massa needs is lewis finishing in first place with Kimi between them or Kimi taking the win with Massa getting 2nd and Lewis 3rd...Felipe needs all the points he can get, and the more Kimi "steals" the more it is like racing against 3 Mclarens for Massa.

[wesley123]

I still suspect he cracked under the pressure.

If on a BB we have a reasonably good idea that the Mclaren is the better car than the Ferrari in the wet then Kimi and Ferrari must know for certain. The fact Hamilton reeled him in so quickly after the rain started would have given them a small heads up.

I just got the impression that Kimi was do or die racer at the end and not a cold calculating Iceman. If he had been he would have taken the 8 points.

Perhaps some of the speculation was correct and it was do or die for his WC yesterday. I guess we will find out at Monza.

Raikkonen doesnt even like to race anymore, it is clear. He gets mad of a guy who stand on his stuff and he made alot of nobbish mistakes this year. 2009 is his last year in f1, he has achieved his goal and that is enough for him.

[WhiteBlue]

Kimi may have the Damon Hill desease of cruise and collect. It is not as severe but there are similarities. He seems to be motivated by cashing in on the Ferrari money but not by winning another championship. The way he took risks in Spa shows no great consideration. It reminds me of his time at McLaren when he drove the car to victory or wreck.

[Conceptual]

Armchair speculation stated as concrete fact.

Wet track, dry tyres. 2nd place has the advantage, since first place doesnt have a car in front of him showing him the grip level and possibility to push.

I saw Kimi in a car with the wrong tyres feeling his way around the last 2 laps. I also saw Lewis behind Kimi watching for the brake points, so he didnt have to feel his way. I saw Kimi try to push it, knowing Lewis was watching him, and put it into the wall.

I find my desire to post on this forum going the way most other F1 sites that I have had the disappointment of being a part of.

I find that it is much better to simply read FACTUAL reporting and deduce conclusions from obejective evidence much more satisfying than reading the mysticism that is propogated by many biased bigots on this forum.

I am starting to think that the REAL problem of F1 is the FANS. Actually, many that I have read since the end of the race remind me of my 3 year old. Same mentality level, just a bit more familliar with a computer.

What happened?

[Bob Brown]

I agree 100% with Conceptual.

Some people just take this too far and ruin the fun out of it.
Sure, it looks to the untrained eye that Hamilton is kicking ass, but unless you know what the heck was really going on, it is simply rubbish to talk this kind of trash.

Give Kimi the kind of luck that Massa has this season and he'll be leading the championship.
Give Kimi the kind of #1 support and bend over backwards support that Hamilton has, and it'll be a different story.

Hell, put Kimi in 2nd behind Hamilton when the rain came up and watch as Hamilton crashes into the wall and people will still say that Kimi got lucky to win.

Its the Hamilton mania over these past few years and it is really disgusting in my honest opinion. Last year nearly made me want to just shut of the tele and no longer watch F1 due to its hamilton fandom mania, this year.......its getting to that point again.

[pgj]

Armchair speculation stated as concrete fact.

Wet track, dry tyres. 2nd place has the advantage, since first place doesnt have a car in front of him showing him the grip level and possibility to push.

I saw Kimi in a car with the wrong tyres feeling his way around the last 2 laps. I also saw Lewis behind Kimi watching for the brake points, so he didnt have to feel his way. I saw Kimi try to push it, knowing Lewis was watching him, and put it into the wall.

I find my desire to post on this forum going the way most other F1 sites that I have had the disappointment of being a part of.

I find that it is much better to simply read FACTUAL reporting and deduce conclusions from obejective evidence much more satisfying than reading the mysticism that is propogated by many biased bigots on this forum.

I am starting to think that the REAL problem of F1 is the FANS. Actually, many that I have read since the end of the race remind me of my 3 year old. Same mentality level, just a bit more familliar with a computer.

What happened?

lol!

[boci]

Armchair speculation stated as concrete fact.

Wet track, dry tyres. 2nd place has the advantage, since first place doesnt have a car in front of him showing him the grip level and possibility to push.

I saw Kimi in a car with the wrong tyres feeling his way around the last 2 laps. I also saw Lewis behind Kimi watching for the brake points, so he didnt have to feel his way. I saw Kimi try to push it, knowing Lewis was watching him, and put it into the wall.

I find my desire to post on this forum going the way most other F1 sites that I have had the disappointment of being a part of.

I find that it is much better to simply read FACTUAL reporting and deduce conclusions from obejective evidence much more satisfying than reading the mysticism that is propogated by many biased bigots on this forum.

I am starting to think that the REAL problem of F1 is the FANS. Actually, many that I have read since the end of the race remind me of my 3 year old. Same mentality level, just a bit more familliar with a computer.

What happened?

Kimi was behind Lewis when he spun out of control and hit the wall.