2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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HPD wrote:
03 Mar 2019, 22:18
One of the reasons why they did not race on the last day of the tests was to ensure that the car was in perfect condition for the day of filming. Max said it in some interview.
Why? I do not know..
We all know that filming days are used to check things on the car ... it's never for publicity. :lol:
I'm sure they've tested some new parts away from most of the eyes of the paddock, and needed the car at 100% :evil:

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Bence wrote:
03 Mar 2019, 06:26
Wazari said that the hardware was absolutely the same, except for different wastegates.
Waste gates are different due to the rear suspension work being different.

Tanabe san has said both power units different and after testing they will decide which to run. Tanabe and Tost have both separately stated that TR might be used to test newer iterations of engines and will be willing to sacrifice (Tost) the WDC for dev work if needed.

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Interesting comments from
Honda today. Some compromises from packaging being so tight seem to be a cause for concern...

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MakAsp wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 19:38
Interesting comments from
Honda today. Some compromises from packaging being so tight seem to be a cause for concern...
Not much concern, really. I'm sure that won't affect the aero or the bodywork, but they had to test some things first. If you look at ToroRosso, they did an amazing job at the tests

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Doesn't sound like they are as convinced... let's hope so

Asked if he was happy with Honda’s improvements over the winter, Tanabe joked: “Never happy, actually!

“Of course we have a target. And a target through the year as well.

“We are not so confident with the current achievement.

“Still there are a lot of areas we need to work on to catch up to the top competitors.

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MakAsp wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 19:38
Interesting comments from
Honda today. Some compromises from packaging being so tight seem to be a cause for concern...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... l/4347008/
“We don’t have a serious problem with the current installation, but we found some issues because of the tight packaging,” said Tanabe.

“The shape was a little bit too aggressive, so we need to make it a little bit different.

“It’s not a big concern.”
A bit blown out of context. Just a redesign of heatshields needed....due to tight packaging from some car designer.... :mrgreen:
Honda applied some fixes at the track but will also amend the design at the factory to introduce a “permanent countermeasure” in time for the season-opening Australian GP on March 17.

“So far, it’s not serious,” Tanabe said. “It means we can be ready for the first race, with the items we have issues here.”
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What I understood from the RB15 launch press releases is that Honda had made PU packaging even tighter that what RB chassis/bodywork required. Seems now they need to retract it a bit to give engine components more space to ''breathe''.

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dxpetrov wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 06:50
What I understood from the RB15 launch press releases is that Honda had made PU packaging even tighter that what RB chassis/bodywork required. Seems now they need to retract it a bit to give engine components more space to ''breathe''.
It's interesting, Tanabe made specific mention it was "too sharp". I'm going to probably assume his biggest concern was either the exhaust manifold or the main turbo air intake (interestingly, these particular parts were compromised by McLaren demands and only after STR granted them the space did they make improvements. Compare the intake piping shape and angle and the exhaust manifold piping size and design between the RA617 and RA618. Very noticeable how restricted the former was.

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Espresso wrote:
MakAsp wrote:
04 Mar 2019, 19:38
Interesting comments from
Honda today. Some compromises from packaging being so tight seem to be a cause for concern...
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/hond ... l/4347008/
“We don’t have a serious problem with the current installation, but we found some issues because of the tight packaging,” said Tanabe.

“The shape was a little bit too aggressive, so we need to make it a little bit different.

“It’s not a big concern.”
A bit blown out of context. Just a redesign of heatshields needed....due to tight packaging from some car designer.... :mrgreen:
Honda applied some fixes at the track but will also amend the design at the factory to introduce a “permanent countermeasure” in time for the season-opening Australian GP on March 17.

“So far, it’s not serious,” Tanabe said. “It means we can be ready for the first race, with the items we have issues here.”
To me it seems Tanabe was talking about PU packaging, not packaging in the car!

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Red Bull has “definitely" closed the gap to Formula 1 rivals Mercedes and Ferrari heading into the 2019 season, according to team boss Christian Horner.
“I think we have definitely closed that gap. We will see not just in Melbourne, because that's a little bit of a unique track, but look over the first three races and then ask me again then how we're faring.”
"The engine change has stimulated the whole team - and particularly Adrian," Horner explained.

"He sees that the engine is now getting closer and closer to the performance of the front-running teams. That's really motivated him and he's working very hard with all the guys and girls back in Milton Keynes.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/914789/1/ ... nd-ferrari

not much news but they keep claiming they closed the gap, wondering if they would keep doing that when they hadn't closed the gap.
guessing the lines would be more vaguely, shouldn't it?

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Capharol wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 16:37
Red Bull has “definitely" closed the gap to Formula 1 rivals Mercedes and Ferrari heading into the 2019 season, according to team boss Christian Horner.
Bold statement. Has been a long time since they have been that bullish.

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Capharol wrote:
05 Mar 2019, 16:37
Red Bull has “definitely" closed the gap to Formula 1 rivals Mercedes and Ferrari heading into the 2019 season, according to team boss Christian Horner.
“I think we have definitely closed that gap. We will see not just in Melbourne, because that's a little bit of a unique track, but look over the first three races and then ask me again then how we're faring.”
"The engine change has stimulated the whole team - and particularly Adrian," Horner explained.

"He sees that the engine is now getting closer and closer to the performance of the front-running teams. That's really motivated him and he's working very hard with all the guys and girls back in Milton Keynes.
https://www.crash.net/f1/news/914789/1/ ... nd-ferrari

not much news but they keep claiming they closed the gap, wondering if they would keep doing that when they hadn't closed the gap.
guessing the lines would be more vaguely, shouldn't it?
If they say they've closed the gap, I'm inclined to believe they have. no point in making things up, especially after testing.
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Sounds promising. As for reliabilty, that might be something we'll see, but then again, Renault was far from reliable aswell, so to be honest, atleast with Honda atleast if reliability would be the same, they have a more powerful engine.
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I'm not convinced. The fact they did no qualifying runs is odd, only Williams opted for that plan... no point hiding in plain sight, and their long run pace wasn't spectacular at any time or for any sector. I think there is the understandable assumption than their new car is better than the old one. Torro Rosso looked quick but the 2018 chassis they are using wholesale pretty much was tip top - last years winning chassis with a lesser engine than the new one let's not forget. I'm not sure the updated RB chassis is that much better given the gap from testing looks closer between everyone else to include Torro Rosso and RB over them to the top 2. Melbourne will be interesting....

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Interesting the comment of @Mateo22 in relation to the gearbox.
User of the autosport forum.
I don't want to name drop or pretend I'm some kind of insider, but when I was at the test I paid for the opportunity to go inside the Red Bull garage on Day 6 at about 3:30. It was right at the time that they were changing the gearbox on Verstappen's car which was lucky for me.


While I was in the garage I had a chat to Jos. Max is happy, and they know they have a good car. But for them, they don't think they can win the first few races. They're holding out for a few things to come (not sure whether it's Honda or aero), but the important thing is to make a good start. They will be happy with podiums or even top 4 finishes which is a change of approach from last year where what happened to Max was out of frustration Jos said. We spoke a little more about Max's driving style etc and he won't be changing anytime soon, and neither should he. Jos was great to talk to and he gave me the time as well which was really nice of him.

The gearbox on the Red Bull had an oil leak which they couldn't spot from the outside. The gearbox had done 2300km which i guess is about half what it is required to do so they weren't too happy but that's testing.