Has Hamilton melted the Iceman?

[Belatti]

Armchair speculation stated as concrete fact.

Wet track, dry tyres. 2nd place has the advantage, since first place doesnt have a car in front of him showing him the grip level and possibility to push.

I saw Kimi in a car with the wrong tyres feeling his way around the last 2 laps. I also saw Lewis behind Kimi watching for the brake points, so he didnt have to feel his way. I saw Kimi try to push it, knowing Lewis was watching him, and put it into the wall.

I find my desire to post on this forum going the way most other F1 sites that I have had the disappointment of being a part of.

I find that it is much better to simply read FACTUAL reporting and deduce conclusions from obejective evidence much more satisfying than reading the mysticism that is propogated by many biased bigots on this forum.

I am starting to think that the REAL problem of F1 is the FANS. Actually, many that I have read since the end of the race remind me of my 3 year old. Same mentality level, just a bit more familliar with a computer.

What happened?

This is a well respected Technical Forum. Sometimes, when big events that write history books happens, many people reacts in many ways, as in other aspects of life. Emotions produce these kind of stuff. The ones that doesn´t belong here, usually make gosip comments and go away quickly. The others, usually stay.

F1 fans are just like any sport fans, nothing wrong with them: some experts, some observers, some stupids and some insiders.

[DaveKillens]

Kimi is a very good driver, and the race he drove yesterday was wonderful. IF but for the rain, he would have sealed a spectacular win in a glorious manner. Nothing wrong with Kimi, notwithstanding the fact he was the victim of hard racing on a treacherous track. He wasn't the only one to spin, almost everyone else did too.

[Ciro Pabón]

... and that's why I click on any thread that has a comment by DaveKillens.

[Pup]

...except that Hamilton was reeling in Kimi well before the rain.

[Michiba]

...except that Hamilton was reeling in Kimi well before the rain.

wasn't that due to the maclaren being better suited to the harder compound tyres which they were both on for the final stint?

[Bob Brown]

...except that Hamilton was reeling in Kimi well before the rain.

wasn't that due to the maclaren being better suited to the harder compound tyres which they were both on for the final stint?

yes because the McLaren is able to get heat into the tyres faster, hence why they struggle toward the end on softer tyres.

PLUS I believe rain drops started somewhere between Hamilton reeling Kimi and and the actual rainfall.

[ernos5]

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SIMPLE ANSWER...................NO



he hasn't enuf skill to, i mean he's a good driver but just not good enuf....

[mike]

i think pretty much opposite to the topic

i think KIMI has melted "the golden boy"
hamilton spun just like kimi while he was in front and had a confortable lead
kimi's inability to drive the hard drys during the wet is the same as hamilton's inability to drive the soft drys in the wet
the difference is kimi didnt cut a corner to overtake hamilton but hamilton cracked under pressure to not only get overtook from the outside and cut a chicane and hence the penalty

even hamilton said it himself, he doesnt get overtake from the outside too much.
hamilton may be the WDC leader, but he it is not the first time he cut a corner to overtake people
well some people may argue that kimi crash his car so he was the one who crack under pressure
hamilton was lucky that he didnt collect massa during his spin and he was lucky when he hit kimi in canada when he cracked to make such mistake, kimi on the other hand made similar mistake but still hav enough control to not hit any1 or not to "drag others down"~
if only kimi had hit him from behind in spa......

all in all this is wat this topic is really about isnt it making my own opinions to make it sound like facts with logic to persuade others that im right.

[bazanaius]

*cough* Sutil, Monaco *cough*

[axle]

Hamilton's spin was due to a down shift locking the rear wheels, it was quite a lame spin and really has no bearing on skill...just a cock up...same with Kimi's ultimate crash, those cars are rubbish on the slippery bits!

1 race doesn't make a driver or a championship. Kimi has had some awful luck this year. And Lewis has been scrappy at times, that's why Massa has looked so good, cause the other two have cocked up.

If the Ferrari was better at heating it's front tyres I don't think Massa would be beating Kimi. This has been Kimi's only downfall this year IMO.

[ernos5]

*cough* Sutil, Monaco *cough*

*cough* raikkonen pit lane, canada in the dry at 60km/h not 300km/h and not in the wet. cough*

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Okay, I think some of you are missing the point..."Has Lewis melted the Iceman" is not only applicable to the last race at Spa, whether either of them spun on whatever tyres is irrelevant as a complete argument.

One has to remember that over the course of the season as a whole Lewis has bounced back (from the lows of say the France GP) and Massa has come on in leaps and bounds...Kimi on the other hand has been nothing short of under-par. By his own astronomically high standards I'm afraid the iceman isn't performing to what should be expected of him. Some may put that down to Lewis' lead in the championship, or the fact that Lewis has come back from such a low point in his season, it can have a demoralising effect. If Lewis isn't a good enough driver to "melt the iceman" why has it happened? The fact that Kimi was on course to win at a track that he is a specialist on doesn't mean that all of a sudden the storm has passed...think about Lewis @ Monaco this year, there were still some races after that the he too under performed.

Personally I don't think is much to do with Lewis though, Kimi's a cool character (pun totally intended lol) and I doubt that after 7years racing in F1 he's suddenly forgotten how to deal with a rival. The performance of Lewis in recent races (Silverstone & Hockenheim for example) and the resulting pressure put on Kimi may just have a "straw that broke the camels back" effect...I believe the MAIN reason for this down turn in Kimi's performance is Massa's sudden (for want of a better word) maturing in the car. Massa is leading the way in the same equipent as Kimi, and I don't think Kimi's ever really had to deal with a team-mate that is quicker than him...consistently. Sure JPM had the edge on him occasionally at Mclaren, as did Heidfeld at Sauber (but that was Kimi's forst year in F1 with only 23 single seater races under his belt at that point) but I doubt Kimi's ever had to deal with a team mate consistently out performing him. I guess this has a "Does not compute" effect in Kimi's mind.

In short no Lewis hasn't melted he iceman, he might have held a candle to him to soften him up, or to add insult to injury, but its Massa's flamethrower that doing the damage.