Yes..RonDennis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:10What did you guys expect? That McLaren would be fighting with Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull? Sainz already said after testing that he wouldn't be surprised if they didn't score any points at the first race. The midfield is pretty close and McLaren is currently a midfield team, so stop expecting that they are going to do much better. It's going to be a long year.
They are rebuilding, it's better to put the money in the car and facilities than in drivers. James Key and Seidl aren't even working there. You don't just jump three of four teams in a few months, especially not these satellite squads at the beginning of the year, because they're using parts of the 2019 spec Red Bull and Ferrari. McLaren should be able to out develop them since they have almost twice as many people working for them. You guys act like a bunch of crying housewives. It's just the first race.Jambier wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes..RonDennis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:10What did you guys expect? That McLaren would be fighting with Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull? Sainz already said after testing that he wouldn't be surprised if they didn't score any points at the first race. The midfield is pretty close and McLaren is currently a midfield team, so stop expecting that they are going to do much better. It's going to be a long year.
And very saddly, the drivers line up is just another proof of where the team belong
I know all that.RonDennis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:27They are rebuilding, it's better to put the money in the car and facilities than in drivers. James Key and Seidl aren't even working there. You don't just jump three of four teams in a few months, especially not these satellite squads at the beginning of the year, because they're using parts of the 2019 spec Red Bull and Ferrari. McLaren should be able to out develop them since they have almost twice as many people working for them. You guys act like a bunch of crying housewives. It's just the first race.Jambier wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:20Yes..RonDennis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:10What did you guys expect? That McLaren would be fighting with Ferrari, Mercedes and Red Bull? Sainz already said after testing that he wouldn't be surprised if they didn't score any points at the first race. The midfield is pretty close and McLaren is currently a midfield team, so stop expecting that they are going to do much better. It's going to be a long year.
And very saddly, the drivers line up is just another proof of where the team belong
Suffer? It's race 1 and Sainz certainly isn't bad. You guys are all way too emotional. Just wait until tomorrow and look at the gap instead of the positions.Jambier wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:36I know all that.RonDennis wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:27They are rebuilding, it's better to put the money in the car and facilities than in drivers. James Key and Seidl aren't even working there. You don't just jump three of four teams in a few months, especially not these satellite squads at the beginning of the year, because they're using parts of the 2019 spec Red Bull and Ferrari. McLaren should be able to out develop them since they have almost twice as many people working for them. You guys act like a bunch of crying housewives. It's just the first race.
And I understand the real target for McLaren should be 2021.
It's just sad that we will see them suffer in 2019 / 2020.
Yeah. It's not doom and gloom that suddenly descended on the thread. Even if they are not at the top of the midfield, they surely belong to the midfield. I am confident that there is more pace in the car and that they will show it on Sunday.Ground Effect wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 11:54The important thing for me is that they're not a million miles away from the tight midfield group. The sessions haven't been ideal for them, meaning there should still be some pace in the car, and I'm not taking about engine modes alone. It's a starting point, hopefully development will be rapid, or at least effective.
Yeah, times have changed. McLaren is no longer on the same level as Ferrari, not even close. On every 3 dollar McLaren spends, Ferrari spends 5. We aren't even talking about their satellite teams. Renault should be their aim, not the other three.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 12:11I need to clarify something. Mclaren is along with Ferrari the most successive team in F1. They do not belong in the midfield. They are temporarely in the midfield due to bad seasons in the past. These midfield teams are competing with Mclaren because Mclaren allowed it with their poor performance. From the names I hear they are rebuilding a powerful team that might repeat in the distant future the 1988 and 1998 dominations. We have to be patient.
They belong where they perform.
Temporarily - an interesting definition considering it spans a period of 6 years. More critically, its their poor decision-making that has led to poor performance on track.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 12:11They are temporarely in the midfield due to bad seasons in the past. These midfield teams are competing with Mclaren because Mclaren allowed it with their poor performance.
Yes it is temporary and yes they do not belong there. They only managed to get that far back because of poor decisions and having lost nearly half of their personel and their best driver from Mercedes. Mercedes success has Mclaren written all over it. It is up to them to be back where they belong and that is on the top.Fulcrum wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 12:26They belong where they perform.
Temporarily - an interesting definition considering it spans a period of 6 years. More critically, its their poor decision-making that has led to poor performance on track.Darth-Piekus wrote: ↑15 Mar 2019, 12:11They are temporarely in the midfield due to bad seasons in the past. These midfield teams are competing with Mclaren because Mclaren allowed it with their poor performance.
