2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Datco]

I think we can safely say that the Honda honeymoon period and love-in will be over soon, if it isn't already. They're roughly where they were with Renault really, but at least they have a manufacturer with resources that's only focusing on them.

You wish.
They always said the Honda PU is behind Merc and Ferrari and the aim is to catch up in the year. They said they will try to make the difference with their chassis. At least at Aus they did to some extent with Ferrari. Renault relationship was broken, it does not matter anymore how good the Renault is, they can't even beat their customer chassis.

[SmallSoldier]

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Their lap time improved from 2018 to 2019 by 0.56 seconds,

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Um the way I understand ‘the best car we have ever build’ means this car is faster or better than the last car we have built. How does that correspond to how others are doing? Red Bull didn’t say they built the best car on the grid.

Well, Red Bull has always stated that they have the best chassis on the grid and only pulled back by Renault... So, if they have always had the best chassis and this is their best car ever, it’s easy to conclude they think they still have the best chassis on the grid.


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[Bill]

They no longer has strong front end and quick directions change,the engine is the strongest part of their package quicker than Ferrari equal to Mercedes. Perhaps it's true Ferrari ran a detuned engine

[SmallSoldier]

They no longer has strong front end and quick directions change,the engine is the strongest part of their package quicker than Ferrari equal to Mercedes. Perhaps it's true Ferrari ran a detuned engine

What makes you think that the engine is quicker than Ferrari or equal to Mercedes? Speed traps?

If it’s based on the speed traps, you would be mistaken... Ferrari and Mercedes opted for a higher downforce setup (top speed is more influenced by drag than it is power).


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[Bill]

Ferrari tech thread autosport forum video

[Capharol]

Well, Red Bull has always stated that they have the best chassis on the grid and only pulled back by Renault... So, if they have always had the best chassis and this is their best car ever, it’s easy to conclude they think they still have the best chassis on the grid.


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what does "the best car" says to you? if you mean with the the overall package I can assure you, NOBODY at RB ever meant the complete package.
To me it means the best chassis, Honda ALWAYS said they are behind on Ferrari and Mercedes but in front of Renault (which they have proven to be right)

yes maybe it was a bit "to much" this "we have build the best car ever" (or how ever it was said), but do you really think RB is gonna say "our chassis is crap and we didn't do our homework" (okay a bit over the top aswell)

but doesn't the others doesn't do the same (Renault/Abiteboul)???

for me there are 2 winners (maybe even 3) after this Qualifying.... Haas, and the Honda engine (the 3rd one for me is Alfa)

and SmallSoldier you can write it a 1000x, it doesn't mean it is right,
You know what is funny... RB was always in the disadvantage in 2018 during qualifying, yet still they managed to get 4 victories and several podiums on this race this isn't any different but..... we all know what Verstappen is capable off, it wouldn't be the first time that he takes a podium from 4th.... so just wait and see what happens till Barcelona and if the gap by then is still 0,8s, then, maybe, i am willing to agree with you.

[Jambier]

What make you think the Honda is so good?

I think it's OK

Overall they are close to what they were with Renault.

Not better, not worst.

This is already a win. Now I think it will be a 2018 like year for RB.
This is the problem, they don't figure out how to climb the final step to be title contenders

[Capharol]

I think we can safely say that the Honda honeymoon period and love-in will be over soon, if it isn't already. They're roughly where they were with Renault really, but at least they have a manufacturer with resources that's only focusing on them.

sorry to say but this post was, mildly said, ......bullocks ....
Honda and RB are, at least in my opinion, a perfect match... Honda did as they have promised, they were better as Renault (or at least equal) which is already a gigant step for them after the disaster with McLaren.

RB is happy with what Honda gave them, because Honda gave them what they have promised (even the "party mode" has been given, and working).

[Jambier]

Anyway Honda is the only choice for them.

I don't think it changes anything performance wise for now.

But it is the clever choice for all reasons, money, factory team, future

And they haven't lose performance in the switch. So it is 100% win

But now, they will not have the engine joker "oh, we don't win? Engine's fault"

It is a good thing. As it was for McLaren to understand were is the issue.

[Sayeman]

I believe Redbull is the team that has been negatively affected the most by this recent rule change. No wonder Horner was protesting it so much and Mercedes was very much in favor of the change. This has probably forced RB to change their philosophy and will require time to get used to.

As for the engine, Honda is looking good, what i have seen from the data so far is that they are more powerful than the new Renault engine. Also TR has significantly more top speed than RB, that means RB IS using more wings

[ispano6]

Considering its a new chassis put together overnight I think Max fared well.
RB15 will have teething problems and even that is expected, but at least we're up in 4th in front of a Ferrari. Goes to show the human factor counts!

[SmallSoldier]

I believe Redbull is the team that has been negatively affected the most by this recent rule change. No wonder Horner was protesting it so much and Mercedes was very much in favor of the change. This has probably forced RB to change their philosophy and will require time to get used to.

As for the engine, Honda is looking good, what i have seen from the data so far is that they are more powerful than the new Renault engine. Also TR has significantly more top speed than RB, that means RB IS using more wings

What “data” are you speaking of? More power than Renault? Based on what?... Far more powerful? That is laughable... They might close or at Renault’s level, but there is no indication at this point that they are “far more powerful”


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[Capharol]

I believe Redbull is the team that has been negatively affected the most by this recent rule change. No wonder Horner was protesting it so much and Mercedes was very much in favor of the change. This has probably forced RB to change their philosophy and will require time to get used to.

As for the engine, Honda is looking good, what i have seen from the data so far is that they are more powerful than the new Renault engine. Also TR has significantly more top speed than RB, that means RB IS using more wings

What “data” are you speaking of? More power than Renault? Based on what?... Far more powerful? That is laughable... They might close or at Renault’s level, but there is no indication at this point that they are “far more powerful”


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They DO HAVE more power then Renault, based on timing and even experts say Honda has more power then Renault..... sorry but you are fishing for something, and i am sorry to say ... the lake is empty for you

[SmallSoldier]

I believe Redbull is the team that has been negatively affected the most by this recent rule change. No wonder Horner was protesting it so much and Mercedes was very much in favor of the change. This has probably forced RB to change their philosophy and will require time to get used to.

As for the engine, Honda is looking good, what i have seen from the data so far is that they are more powerful than the new Renault engine. Also TR has significantly more top speed than RB, that means RB IS using more wings

What “data” are you speaking of? More power than Renault? Based on what?... Far more powerful? That is laughable... They might close or at Renault’s level, but there is no indication at this point that they are “far more powerful”


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They DO HAVE more power then Renault, based on timing and even experts say Honda has more power then Renault..... sorry but you are fishing for something, and i am sorry to say ... the lake is empty for you

Lmao... Who “has” the data? If you mean that the current Honda engine is more powerful than last year’s Renault, that could be true... But no one has suggested that the current Honda engine is more powerful than the current Renault engine.

Also, which experts? The ones that said that Mclaren was doomed to be at the back of the grid with Williams, “clearly” behind the rest of the midfield? Those experts?... Quotes from someone reputable or actual data analysis would be great!

And no, I’m not fishing... I just find it amusing that most of the RBH fans seem to be creating a narrative and stating their “speculation” or best wishes as “facts”... There is a big difference between both.


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[Capharol]

Data you are asking for Data but bringing unfounded stuff yourself, show us data that Honda is slower or on pair with Renault .....

here is your Data...
fact: Ricciardo is slower as Verstappen (RB) AND Albon (TR) with a Renault engine, Albon beats even Hulkenberg.....
now i showed you data that proved us right and your wrong
this shows clearly the Honda engine is stronger as the renault engine

but you do exactly the same in other topics don't you?
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With such an awesome crystal ball... Why are you wasting your time here? You should be buying lottery tickets or making billions in the stock market!

It’s one qualifying session in a non-representative circuit with a midfield very close to each other and you are already concluding that this year is a waste for the team? That’s been clueless


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and by experts i mean ppl that really know what is going on in the paddock, not us, keyboard warriors here on a forum.
sorry but this (you) can't be taken seriously, at least for now