2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Ground Effect]

Sainz probably thinking why did I listen to Alonso and run away from Honda power...
Pretty lame to see him climbing out of a burning McLaren when he could have been in the other RB15.

Renault being the factory team might actually get better engines than McLaren. STR was getting PUs with used, 2nd rate parts. With Renault clearly out of the fight for 4th fastest team they will at least look to be ahead of their B-Team McLaren like they did to STR.

They are getting exact same engines and software as Renault, it’s in the regulations.


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STR will beg to differ. And the regulations aren't any different than end of 2017 when Renault leapfrogged them in the last race where the Renault engines in the STR were falling apart. Look up the article. Surely you didn't forget or selective memory?

The regulations were reinforced and updated in January, 2018 to include identical software, mode of operation and fuel specification...

https://www.pitpass.com/61096/FIA-moves ... ine-parity

[_cerber1]

Pit stop Lando 2.5 seconds, I wonder how the rest.

[ME4ME]

It is. Logistics and etc.
Only if something was approved BEFORE Melburn, it could be produced & installed

What? A few years ago pre-season testing was in Bahrain. Teams were flying in parts every night. The flight is approx 6 hours iirc. Should be no problem for the teams now, as it wasn't back then. It will of course depend on a particular parts lead time, but teams and their supply chains are adapted to push through development items at a rapid pace.

[ispano6]

They are getting exact same engines and software as Renault, it’s in the regulations.


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STR will beg to differ. And the regulations aren't any different than end of 2017 when Renault leapfrogged them in the last race where the Renault engines in the STR were falling apart. Look up the article. Surely you didn't forget or selective memory?

The regulations were reinforced and updated in January, 2018 to include identical software, mode of operation and fuel specification...

https://www.pitpass.com/61096/FIA-moves ... ine-parity

In spirit, sure. In reality, how can you tell? Handbuilt PUs aren't assembled by the same people.
Either way, the regulation were reinforced BECAUSE of what Renault were doing to STR. Sainz has had a problematic PU all weekend. Why just his and not Nicos?

Just like there was a Suzuka special for Senna, some PUs have more love baked in than others. I just don't see Renault giving up their best PUs to their customer.
It's just that I would have thought Sainz would be wary of Renault to join McLaren.

[the EDGE]

STR will beg to differ. And the regulations aren't any different than end of 2017 when Renault leapfrogged them in the last race where the Renault engines in the STR were falling apart. Look up the article. Surely you didn't forget or selective memory?

The regulations were reinforced and updated in January, 2018 to include identical software, mode of operation and fuel specification...

https://www.pitpass.com/61096/FIA-moves ... ine-parity

In spirit, sure. In reality, how can you tell? Handbuilt PUs aren't assembled by the same people.
Either way, the regulation were reinforced BECAUSE of what Renault were doing to STR. Sainz has had a problematic PU all weekend. Why just his and not Nicos?

Just like there was a Suzuka special for Senna, some PUs have more love baked in than others. I just don't see Renault giving up their best PUs to their customer.
It's just that I would have thought Sainz would be wary of Renault to join McLaren.

So you think Sainz had lots of other offers?

[Big Tea]

Well, thats the first real race out of the way, and lets hope much taken on board.
Can not blame Lando, stuck behind a car on duff tyres and the options were to pit and be behind other cars, behind the car he could not pass, or face it out.

If it was not his first race he may have had a dive, but I think he is too sensible to to throw away a finish on a worse than 50/50. (no points likely, or different gamble)

I think this race should be taken in isolation and used as a sighter. Not good, but fire apart, not a disaster.

Qualifying is the actual performance indicator really. They're more or less 5th fastest, which is great. This track being notorious for high overtaking delta and Lando probably being told to turn the engine down after Sainz's blew up is what messed the race besides the bad start. Upcoming races should be better.

I have to disagree with this sorry. It would be if all the other teams and drivers had a perfect time of it, but as we know they did not.

It is very encouraging to see where Lando qualified, but there were several cars that did not get a perfect lap in.
OK, they may still not all have q'd infront of him, but just saying it is not a level playing field.

What was very encouraging is that the driver/car was capable of taking advantage of this, and I hope to see it happen during races.

[SmallSoldier]

Sainz probably thinking why did I listen to Alonso and run away from Honda power...
Pretty lame to see him climbing out of a burning McLaren when he could have been in the other RB15.

Renault being the factory team might actually get better engines than McLaren. STR was getting PUs with used, 2nd rate parts. With Renault clearly out of the fight for 4th fastest team they will at least look to be ahead of their B-Team McLaren like they did to STR.

They are getting exact same engines and software as Renault, it’s in the regulations.


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STR will beg to differ. And the regulations aren't any different than end of 2017 when Renault leapfrogged them in the last race where the Renault engines in the STR were falling apart. Look up the article. Surely you didn't forget or selective memory?

They did gave them used parts, not a different spec... The engine spec has to be made available to all teams in the same way... I remember what you are saying, but it is a different situation.


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[GoranF1]

Mclaren is currently under negotiations whit Toyota over major pre 2011 Mercedes like colaboration.
Toyota is interested into buying Mclaren shares.
Both Toyota's twin wind tunnels in Cologne to be updated before start of deal.
Mclaren simulator will undergo complete overhaul before 2021.
New Renault deal will not be signed.
Alonso will be involved even after driving career.
Coca Cola will progressively increase sponsorship and will be major sponsor whit name included in team's title.
More big tech names to arrive including Paddy Lowe.

[Ground Effect]

Mclaren is currently under negotiations whit Toyota over major pre 2011 Mercedes like colaboration.
Toyota is interested into buying Mclaren shares.
Both Toyota's twin wind tunnels in Cologne to be updated before start of deal.
Mclaren simulator will undergo complete overhaul before 2021.
New Renault deal will not be signed.
Alonso will be involved even after driving career.
Coca Cola will progressively increase sponsorship and will be major sponsor whit name included in team's title.
More big tech names to arrive including Paddy Lowe.

Spanish media? Remember the BMW link a couple of months ago?

[charliesmithhd]

Mclaren is currently under negotiations whit Toyota over major pre 2011 Mercedes like colaboration.
Toyota is interested into buying Mclaren shares.
Both Toyota's twin wind tunnels in Cologne to be updated before start of deal.
Mclaren simulator will undergo complete overhaul before 2021.
New Renault deal will not be signed.
Alonso will be involved even after driving career.
Coca Cola will progressively increase sponsorship and will be major sponsor whit name included in team's title.
More big tech names to arrive including Paddy Lowe.

Spanish media? Remember the BMW link a couple of months ago?

This might all be speculation, but it sounds good

[ScottR267]

Mclaren is currently under negotiations whit Toyota over major pre 2011 Mercedes like colaboration.
Toyota is interested into buying Mclaren shares.
Both Toyota's twin wind tunnels in Cologne to be updated before start of deal.
Mclaren simulator will undergo complete overhaul before 2021.
New Renault deal will not be signed.
Alonso will be involved even after driving career.
Coca Cola will progressively increase sponsorship and will be major sponsor whit name included in team's title.
More big tech names to arrive including Paddy Lowe.

If true all could be huge for McLaren and could lead them back to being a front runner. However I have not seen any of the above linked or rumoured. Where have you seen these rumours?

[Darth-Piekus]

Does that mean Toyota engines? I remember the last time Toyota had very good engines but were poor aerowise. Toyota also was a money giant back in 2003.

[PhillipM]

Not a chance. Good old spanish media sources again...

[ispano6]

Seems like something Toyonso and McLaren would conjur, being the nemesis of Honda. Toyota can't sit still watching Honda in the limelight and they'll sleep with anybody to get in on the action. Seems like Toyota and Alonso are a match made for each other.

[Manoah2u]

I don't believe so. it just got mentioned that no manufacturer has interest in getting into F1 right now to get any engines, so i really doubt there'd be any, let alone Toyota from all.
I'd see BMW happening over Toyota but even that won't happen right now nor in 2021. There also will not be a new engine formula so again, i seriously doubt any new manufacturer will step in.

I do think Mclaren would prefer something else than Renault, especially after what happened with Sainz. It was like seeing Alonso all over again "No Power!".

Also, hasn't Coca Cola actually stepped down with the 'obscured' British American Tobacco sponsorship?

"Big names to arrive like paddy Lowe"

HAH no. there is ZERO CHANCE Mclaren will take on Paddy right now, if only due to the fact that the recent developments at Williams are not looking good at his resumé and thus no investor will ever accept him, even if paddy was zero to blame.