2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[ME4ME]

It is. Logistics and etc.
Only if something was approved BEFORE Melburn, it could be produced & installed

What? A few years ago pre-season testing was in Bahrain. Teams were flying in parts every night. The flight is approx 6 hours iirc. Should be no problem for the teams now, as it wasn't back then. It will of course depend on a particular parts lead time, but teams and their supply chains are adapted to push through development items at a rapid pace.

Yes, parts that were queued weeks ago and were sent asap as produced.
How exactly do you imagine modifying smth on chassis AFTER Melburn, discussing, approving to test, modeling, CFD checking, wind-tunnel-checking, approving for production AND producing for a week?
Iirc, here in the forum, some time ago people involved with F1 claimed practically anything has 3-4 weeks head-time to production
They simply dont have unlimited CFD and wind tunnel - mostly all time is pre-allocated for weeks ahead

I think you didn't read my comment carefully enough. I didn't say they could CFD, wind tunnel test or bring "smth on chassis" for Bahrain. I said that particular parts can be manufactured according to their individual lead time and a team and its supply chains capability. Meaning that they could approve some items tomorrow and have them in time for Bahrain. Not all items are carbon fibre, and certainly not all require a weeks manufacturing. I think you underestimate what F1 teams are capable of. If they found something in their data in Melbourne which can be improved upon within the above mentioned constrains, team will try their hardest to make it happen. That said, of course it will be minor things.

[M840TR]

What? A few years ago pre-season testing was in Bahrain. Teams were flying in parts every night. The flight is approx 6 hours iirc. Should be no problem for the teams now, as it wasn't back then. It will of course depend on a particular parts lead time, but teams and their supply chains are adapted to push through development items at a rapid pace.

Yes, parts that were queued weeks ago and were sent asap as produced.
How exactly do you imagine modifying smth on chassis AFTER Melburn, discussing, approving to test, modeling, CFD checking, wind-tunnel-checking, approving for production AND producing for a week?
Iirc, here in the forum, some time ago people involved with F1 claimed practically anything has 3-4 weeks head-time to production
They simply dont have unlimited CFD and wind tunnel - mostly all time is pre-allocated for weeks ahead

I think you didn't read my comment carefully enough. I didn't say they could CFD, wind tunnel test or bring "smth on chassis" for Bahrain. I said that particular parts can be manufactured according to their individual lead time and a team and its supply chains capability. Meaning that they could approve some items tomorrow and have them in time for Bahrain. Not all items are carbon fibre, and certainly not all require a weeks manufacturing. I think you underestimate what F1 teams are capable of. If they found something in their data in Melbourne which can be improved upon within the above mentioned constrains, team will try their hardest to make it happen. That said, of course it will be minor things.

As the season develops, so does the understanding of the car, which includes new setup as well as aero directions. So if it's not hardware related then there can certainly be updates for Bahrain, but you can't design and develop an entire new addition in 2 weeks. It has to be approved by the rest of the design department, be test in CFD & wind tunnel and get manufactured which takes times. Having said that, they were supposed to receive new aero bits for Melbourne - to sort the balance issues - which they didn't besides new brake ducts; so expect something new around the front end like turning vanes in Bahrain.

[diffuser]

STR will beg to differ. And the regulations aren't any different than end of 2017 when Renault leapfrogged them in the last race where the Renault engines in the STR were falling apart. Look up the article. Surely you didn't forget or selective memory?

The regulations were reinforced and updated in January, 2018 to include identical software, mode of operation and fuel specification...

https://www.pitpass.com/61096/FIA-moves ... ine-parity

In spirit, sure. In reality, how can you tell? Handbuilt PUs aren't assembled by the same people.
Either way, the regulation were reinforced BECAUSE of what Renault were doing to STR. Sainz has had a problematic PU all weekend. Why just his and not Nicos?

Just like there was a Suzuka special for Senna, some PUs have more love baked in than others. I just don't see Renault giving up their best PUs to their customer.
It's just that I would have thought Sainz would be wary of Renault to join McLaren.

Maybe the fact that he wasn't is just proof of how much BS all that is?
You can't compare anything manufacturing from the 80s and 90s to todays. The average mean of variation from piece to piece in the 80s was Huge in comparison to today's standards.

[diffuser]

The choice of red tires for Sainz was interesting. Maybe McLaren thought the car had pace to gain positions throught the field in the first 15-20 laps.

On another hand, I don't understand hard tires for Norris if he'll need to pass Alfa Romeo with old medium, the delta was against Norris.

Reality is hard.

I think to make use of the yellows they would have had to run longer on the reds(hamilton & vettle struggled on yellows after pitting early) . Which is why pitting early, I think, was the real error. You could see cars that pitted took a couple of laps to come to to speed. The undercut wasn't there. Norris before pitting was doing 1:28s . Pitting late was the main reason why Alo did so well last year in AUS.

[ripleysend]

First rule of Albert Park. Run a long first stint if at all possible. Track position is king. I can only think that either:

a) the tyres were shot from quali. But then others ran a lot longer
b) they got drawn into trying to attack Haas or cover Renault, neither of which was really on as it turned out

Having decided to put early the Hard was the option as they were worried about overall life to end of race. But it seems everyone struggled on those.

Hindsight is a great thing. Look where the likes of Stroll and Hulk ended up.

Based on the last few years with the quali tyre rules as they are, s neakingqualifying 7-10 is a bit of a killing zone on a good number of circuits unless the car has very strong race pace. Need those in season upgrades to work

[SmallSoldier]

First rule of Albert Park. Run a long first stint if at all possible. Track position is king. I can only think that either:

a) the tyres were shot from quali. But then others ran a lot longer
b) they got drawn into trying to attack Haas or cover Renault, neither of which was really on as it turned out

Having decided to put early the Hard was the option as they were worried about overall life to end of race. But it seems everyone struggled on those.

Hindsight is a great thing. Look where the likes of Stroll and Hulk ended up.

Based on the last few years with the quali tyre rules as they are, s neakingqualifying 7-10 is a bit of a killing zone on a good number of circuits unless the car has very strong race pace. Need those in season upgrades to work

What surprised me is that Sainz was on the Soft tires where Medium or Hard May have been a better choice to split strategies between Norris and Sainz... Those that started on the mediums showed that was the better strategy


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[zoroastar]

Seems like something Toyonso and McLaren would conjur, being the nemesis of Honda. Toyota can't sit still watching Honda in the limelight and they'll sleep with anybody to get in on the action. Seems like Toyota and Alonso are a match made for each other.

dude, do you have your honda hat on today? its cool to be a fan and all, but you dont have to take swipes at every company that isnt them. but thats what some brands fans seem to like to do.

[zoroastar]

i remember that the alfa pitwall held gio out for several more laps than expected even though he was obviously struggling on his tires. im pretty sure they did that when they realized that they could hold up norris for as long as they did, basically ruining any chance of points. and thats that. hopefully the team will make decisions like they did last year from now on. most of the points we got last year were when alonsos driving, and perfect pit strategies came together. i hope that alonso leaving doesnt affect that second part.

[ispano6]

Seems like something Toyonso and McLaren would conjur, being the nemesis of Honda. Toyota can't sit still watching Honda in the limelight and they'll sleep with anybody to get in on the action. Seems like Toyota and Alonso are a match made for each other.

dude, do you have your honda hat on today? its cool to be a fan and all, but you dont have to take swipes at every company that isnt them. but thats what some brands fans seem to like to do.

no, just Toyota and McLaren. Its a Honda fan thing. If you think I'm bad my wife is worse! It's a shame, really, McLaren Honda and for that matter Senna's legacy stained. Do you understand the disappointment in Honda fans hearts that it didn't work out and McLaren acted as they did? so yeah, its gets under the skin when Alonso tried to use Honda for the Indy 500 and then mooched a Lemans win which was going to be a Toyota anyway. Let's not forget the Japanese culture bashing by McLaren fanboys also. Suddenly Toyota and their money is the answer?

[mclaren111]

It was the 1st race of the season and Lando's first race...

We have more than enough to be optimistic about...

I would say Renault PU is now our biggest problem...

[Mansell89]

It was the 1st race of the season and Lando's first race...

We have more than enough to be optimistic about...

I would say Renault PU is now our biggest problem...

Surely a bit early to say that? Red Bull were fighting at the front with Renault PU whereas McLaren qualified 8th and finished 12th.

There is plenty of stuff to work on before Renault is the problem.

[Emag]

It seems you haven’t caught on, but Red Bull doesn’t use Renault engines anymore. They have a Honda on their back.

[SmallSoldier]

It seems you haven’t caught on, but Red Bull doesn’t use Renault engines anymore. They have a Honda on their back.

He crearly meant in previous seasons...

I don’t care how we start, I care how we finish... If the team constantly makes progress through the season and moves up the order through it, it would be a success


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[mwillems]

The car seems fundamentally decent. I expect that tracks with a smooth surface and medium to high speed corners will see the car be in its element. I also expect development to outpace the Haas.

Even though the grid fluctuates in accordance with the track, don't expect them to be comfortably clear of Haas at least till Hungary. They were 0.5 ahead and that's with the reported engine problems Ferrari are having. That car is very very good and it might be even better with the reported issues solved.

Yes I'm not expecting them to surge ahead, particularly with their methodical approach. But I'm optimistic that in the second half of the season we can attack 4th and 5th place in the championship.

I was surprised with the performance at Australia though, it was good.

Hopefully reliability and bad luck won't be our memories of this season.

[Ground Effect]

It was the 1st race of the season and Lando's first race...

We have more than enough to be optimistic about...

I would say Renault PU is now our biggest problem...

There appears to be a convergence with the PU, at least in race trim, qualy mode is not clear enough, because we seemed to have a repeat of Melbourne last year, where Mercedes pulled out such a big gap in Q3, only for Ferrari to lock out the front row in Bahrain.
There's a lot of time to be found in the chassis, just look at the disparity between McLaren and Red Bull last year, with the same engine. But it won't be found overnight.