2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
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Ground Effect wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 10:44
I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
Daniel said he could've gone faster as well. But almost no one had a clean quali. Kimi had mgu-k issues and said he had some pace left to exploit; Racing Point haven't gotten used to the new package but still made q3 with one car; and Carlos more importantly had terrible luck. So maybe others will get faster but Mclaren isn't going anywhere too. They probably have updates scheduled for the weekend, Norris has a race experience in hand & enjoys the Sakhir circuit and Carlos can finally show his potential. One thing is certain though, Haas is very quick out of the box again.

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Ground Effect wrote:I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
Same here... I believe that it is Haas and Renault in the front of the midfield, followed by McLaren, Alfa and STR... I have a feeling that RP will finish just ahead of Williams.

Renault should be stronger this season, hope we can mix it with them and Haas... Next week should be interesting!


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SmallSoldier wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 12:37
Ground Effect wrote:I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
Same here... I believe that it is Haas and Renault in the front of the midfield, followed by McLaren, Alfa and STR... I have a feeling that RP will finish just ahead of Williams.

Renault should be stronger this season, hope we can mix it with them and Haas... Next week should be interesting!


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RP 9th? Absurd. They have a very good car already which they'll be consistently updating throughout the season. If they were so strong the past few year with a low budget they're in a much better position to get 4th now than before.

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Wish Q3 was just 6 cars rather than 10

With the gap between the top 3 teams and remaining there is no point

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M840TR wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 10:41
mwillems wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 10:25
It will be interesting to see how we do in race trim at Barcelona and Monaco. Last year these tracks being less dependent on aero meant we performed better, like at Aus.
I expect us to be a bit better away from these tracks this year, unless fixes arrive.
Less dependent than which track? These are the top aero dependent tracks in the Calendar...
Monaco is a High DF track but it isn't an aero track. The speeds are too slow for Aero or the PU to have anything more than a marginal effect on lap times. It's a chassis test where Mechanical grip is king. The drivers can make the difference if they have a chassis they can test.

It sucks from an entertainment point of view.

Barcelona on the other hand is an aero test. Many high speed turns.

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M840TR wrote:
SmallSoldier wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 12:37
Ground Effect wrote:I'm really weary of Renault, a closer look at their performance last weekend shows they didn't have an entirely clean qualifying, Nico at least. He kept up quite well with KMag for quite a while in the race. They may be stronger in Bahrain.
Same here... I believe that it is Haas and Renault in the front of the midfield, followed by McLaren, Alfa and STR... I have a feeling that RP will finish just ahead of Williams.

Renault should be stronger this season, hope we can mix it with them and Haas... Next week should be interesting!


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RP 9th? Absurd. They have a very good car already which they'll be consistently updating throughout the season. If they were so strong the past few year with a low budget they're in a much better position to get 4th now than before.
Convergence of the PU’s will drive them towards the back... Their form has been magnified by the Mercedes engine in the back... With Ferrari closer in the engine department, Haas has already surpass them and Alfa seems to have done it too (Kimi qualified ahead of both RP’s)... Honda seems to have also improved dramatically year on year, so wouldn’t be surprise for STR to finish ahead of them also... That leaves Renault and McLaren... Renault seemed to be the quicker car in Melbourne (a bad Q2 had them both out of contention for Q3)... But wouldn’t be surprising to see them ahead of RP during the season... The big question mark is McLaren and at least in Melbourne they were clearly faster than RP (in every session of qualifying).

So no, it isn’t absurd to think they could end up 9th this season, totally possible given the state of the rest of the teams


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M840TR wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 10:41
mwillems wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 10:25
It will be interesting to see how we do in race trim at Barcelona and Monaco. Last year these tracks being less dependent on aero meant we performed better, like at Aus.
I expect us to be a bit better away from these tracks this year, unless fixes arrive.
Less dependent than which track? These are the top aero dependent tracks in the Calendar...
Monaco is full downforce and more dependent on Mechanical grip, Australia is more or at least as dependent on Mechanical grip than aero and Barcelona still requires a lot of Mechanical grip also (S3), at least that is my understanding. So these tracks should highlight if we have issues on that side.
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McLaren just needs to develop the car, as is, it's top 10 material for sure. And I see a lot of potential in it, if the team can bring out the potential it should be a best of the rest challenger at every track. It may even close the gap to under a second on some tracks.

In any case passing is possible in Sakhir, so much more likely they finish according to the car's actual performance.
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godlameroso wrote:McLaren just needs to develop the car, as is, it's top 10 material for sure. And I see a lot of potential in it, if the team can bring out the potential it should be a best of the rest challenger at every track. It may even close the gap to under a second on some tracks.

In any case passing is possible in Sakhir, so much more likely they finish according to the car's actual performance.
It will definitely be an interesting weekend for the team in Sakhir... I guess I’ve learned my lessons and I’m trying to manage my expectations in regards to their performance, with new regulations this year the development race could upset the order from race to race, specially if we consider how close the midfield is, a couple tenths will most probably make all the difference.

The biggest concern is the engine, they spoke about issues during testing, issues in Melbourne and of course we had Sainz DNF during the race, that doesn’t build a lot of confidence moving forward.


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This is their second homely grand prix, I think they are preparing for it especially. [-o< [-o< [-o<

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Im just a bit sad that Sainz will be on the back foot all year, as that fire must have damaged multiple PU components so he is basically left with only 2 sets for the remaining of the year.
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bauc wrote:Im just a bit sad that Sainz will be on the back foot all year, as that fire must have damaged multiple PU components so he is basically left with only 2 sets for the remaining of the year.
Has there been any announcement from Mclaren or Renault in regards to what was damaged? It’s unlucky that they will suffer penalties, hopefully they are smart enough on when to introduce them.


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SmallSoldier wrote:
22 Mar 2019, 15:38
bauc wrote:Im just a bit sad that Sainz will be on the back foot all year, as that fire must have damaged multiple PU components so he is basically left with only 2 sets for the remaining of the year.
Has there been any announcement from Mclaren or Renault in regards to what was damaged? It’s unlucky that they will suffer penalties, hopefully they are smart enough on when to introduce them.


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I would hardly call having to start at the back of the grid for a race 'on the back foot'

perhaps if he was fighting for the championship, but not for a team simply trying to make a car that's capable of challenging for podiums at present

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iX4UFe2iCqE
Not sure if this has been posted yet, Carlos mentioned a lot of de-rating in sector 3