FIA clarifies chicane-cutting position

[The FOZ]

Why do you hate on us for having NASCAR? I don't really care about it at all.

In my opinion, NASCAR is simply the lowest common denominator. Take Formula 1 say...30 or 40 years ago, except use lousy American-style cars, then remove all the excitement of complicated track configurations. I really find NASCAR to be the complete antithesis of Formula 1. Completely unsophisticated and uninteresting.

[Scuderia_Russ]

Every diver that I have spoken to has said that the penalty was fair. Most pointing out that if the corner had contained a gravel trap then Hamilton would have braked (what he should have done) instead of cutting the corner, thus removing the doubt. You can't blame them for feeling hard done by though after asking Charlie twice whether the move was ok or not.

[Ray]

Why do you hate on us for having NASCAR? I don't really care about it at all.

In my opinion, NASCAR is simply the lowest common denominator. Take Formula 1 say...30 or 40 years ago, except use lousy American-style cars, then remove all the excitement of complicated track configurations. I really find NASCAR to be the complete antithesis of Formula 1. Completely unsophisticated and uninteresting.

And you are completely close-minded. Go pick up and issue of racercar-engineering and you'll see just how sophisticated they are for having such strict rules. Your bias/prejudice and ignorance is laughable and exactly why I love hearing jsut how much people like you don't know about NASCAR.

I'm glad to hear that they clarified the rule, now all they have to do is write in stone what penalties get what punishment. A clear set of punishments for certain infractions would probably cut down on the teams taking risks hoping they'll just get a fine. I think so anyway.

[Ray]

Sorry, double post

[USAF1FAN]

How did this thread become about NASCAR? It is about F1 unfairly changing a race result and possibly determining the championship because of a poorly defined rule and VERY inconsistent application of penalties.

I don't understand why there is not more outrage about this.

[Ray]

It's become about NASCAR as well as F1 because NASCAR is starting to turn into a rigged show as well. Or at least the illusion of being fixed. NASCAR and F1 both suffer from politics deciding outcomes of races and championshiups more and more as time goes on, so I think that the comparison is indeed valid.

[The FOZ]

It's unfortunate that you took my opinion so personally and had to respond in that manner. Next time you're at the NASCAR team owner's meeting, please extend my apologies.

I like Formula 1 because it furthers the cars we all drive. Virtually every technology we see in a modern road car has it's roots in racing, I'm sure you'll agree. But considering NASCAR doesn't allow any digital electronics or telemetry, it's pretty clear that very, very little, if any, of the technology that benefits and improves safety for all drivers came from there.

How 'bout efficiency and the environment? Gas prices hit a record high in my city three days ago. Surely any racing that furthers the efficiency of smaller engines will foster technology that can improve vehicle efficiency on the road. Making F1 teams use the same engine for two races probably helps improve some engine technologies, too, since an engine ran for 4 or so hours up to the 19,000 RPM mark proooobably will last a reeeeeeally long time at 6,500 RPM.

Meanwhile, the good ol' boys of NASCAR still use 358 cubic inch pushrod V8's. Oh, and up 'til last season, they still used leaded gas. And the engines have to last for one race cycle. Glad we're pushing the envelope, good show boys. Last I checked, GM produces...3? Pushrod V8 powered cars. 'Nuff said there.

How 'bout handling? Not much handling can be evolved when you're going 'round the oval. Banked sides make the requirements on suspension even more lax.

You're absolutely right, though, there is technology at work here. CFD is being used...wind tunnels are used...

But this is all really just a high-tech refinement of very low-tech tools. Go ahead, keep running CFD models of your pushrod V8 cylinder heads. Throw some sensors on your car during practise and testing sessions. Keep telling yourself that NASCAR is on the cutting edge.

Why do you hate on us for having NASCAR? I don't really care about it at all.

In my opinion, NASCAR is simply the lowest common denominator. Take Formula 1 say...30 or 40 years ago, except use lousy American-style cars, then remove all the excitement of complicated track configurations. I really find NASCAR to be the complete antithesis of Formula 1. Completely unsophisticated and uninteresting.

And you are completely close-minded. Go pick up and issue of racercar-engineering and you'll see just how sophisticated they are for having such strict rules. Your bias/prejudice and ignorance is laughable and exactly why I love hearing jsut how much people like you don't know about NASCAR.

I'm glad to hear that they clarified the rule, now all they have to do is write in stone what penalties get what punishment. A clear set of punishments for certain infractions would probably cut down on the teams taking risks hoping they'll just get a fine. I think so anyway.