2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[SmallSoldier]

Red Bull is going to be much faster in the race, Gasly will finish ahead of the 2 Haas, and both McLarens. The tires are easier to get into the window in the race.

That’s a bold prediction... Haas and Mclaren’s straight line speed is not bad and the delta’s between the teams in race trim isn’t that high, so I don’t expect for Gasly to be easy to go through the field.


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[SmallSoldier]

One torro rosso is ahead of Redbull,why is this a pu fault & Ves third in championship am sure some people are eager to see Honda fail ignoring that Max was probably the fastest guy on medium tyres

A little bit early to use “Championship” positions to validate car performance, don’t you think?


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[etusch]

Red Bull is going to be much faster in the race, Gasly will finish ahead of the 2 Haas, and both McLarens. The tires are easier to get into the window in the race.

That’s a bold prediction... Haas and Mclaren’s straight line speed is not bad and the delta’s between the teams in race trim isn’t that high, so I don’t expect for Gasly to be easy to go through the field.


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I also think that Gasly will do it this time. I hopefull for race and if they finish even same places that will be better than last year for WCC points.

[etusch]

Practice Notes
Max Verstappen: "Today was ok but it could have been better. On the medium tyre we look pretty competitive and I should have been fastest on my first short run but I had a little issue at the last corner which lost me two or three tenths. On the softest tyre I just didn't have enough grip, so we need to look into that and extract more out of it. On the longer runs we also looked competitive on the medium tyre which should be the most dominant tyre for the race. We still have a bit of set-up work to do, especially as we will probably only get one timed lap on the tyres in qualifying. It also looks like the issues Ferrari had in Melbourne have been resolved, they look fastest at the moment so we need to work to close that gap."

Pierre Gasly: "I think the performance was really good in FP1 and at the start of FP2. The balance was not ideal, but that's normal, especially as it was very hot this morning when we had the first session. This afternoon in FP2 we were fast with the medium tyres but then with the softs we were lacking some pace. I couldn't really push on the first laps, so I had to do it on the third, which is not ideal. I think overall the car is good, we're just missing a bit of pace with this set-up and need to improve our understanding of the soft tyres. I feel confident with the car, for sure it's a different track than Melbourne so we need to optimise everything but I'm confident we can get it right tomorrow."

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[SmallSoldier]

Red Bull is going to be much faster in the race, Gasly will finish ahead of the 2 Haas, and both McLarens. The tires are easier to get into the window in the race.

That’s a bold prediction... Haas and Mclaren’s straight line speed is not bad and the delta’s between the teams in race trim isn’t that high, so I don’t expect for Gasly to be easy to go through the field.


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I also think that Gasly will do it this time. I hopefull for race and if they finish even same places that will be better than last year for WCC points.

Agreed, if they finish in the points it will be better than last year... But, for a team as RBH which goal is to win Championships, just finishing in the points can’t be the goal... That’s a midfield goal (for the likes of Haas, McLaren and Renault)


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[etusch]

Agreed, if they finish in the points it will be better than last year... But, for a team as RBH which goal is to win Championships, just finishing in the points can’t be the goal... That’s a midfield goal (for the likes of Haas, McLaren and Renault)

You are right. I was talking about worst case and sometimes even big teams needs to race for keeping damage low like Ferrari did last race.

[Marti_EF3]

They need to score the most points possible until they upgrade the chassis(which seems the weakest part of the car), I don't expect great results until the european season begins. So for now, I'm happy if they manage to be right there with the top teams and taking any opportunity if anyone of the front runners make a mistake. I was expecting a hard start of the season for RBR, and seems Melbourne was an exception

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I don't think it's that bad, the main problem this weekend seem to be getting the soft tires into the right window. I wouldn't be surprised if Verstappen fighted for the win tomorrow.

[Capharol]

only one word for today's Qualifying..... dissapionted

[McMika98]

The C3 tyres have been a mixbag for Redbull and TR. They seem to like C2 and C4.

[Ground Effect]

This may not be a popular opinion, and I know it's still very early in the season. But it I feel it was a very wrong decision to release Carlos Sainz and promote Gasly ahead of him. I won't pretend to be a Red Bull fan, but it seemed more a political decision than performance. Carlos may not be a headline grabber, but he's very efficient and mature. He wanted the seat and I feel he deserved it. He was very steady in Toro Rosso, and even though he wasn't happy, he still delivered important points and performances. Look at the struggles of Ricciardo integrating into Renault and compare with Carlos seamless adjustment at McLaren. They had an option on him, in the event a seat opened up in the senior team, but Marko lacks the temperament to make an unbiased decision. Since Carlos left, he's never bad mouthed them or taken shots at the team. Even when Marko made the McLaren at the back statement, he was very diplomatic with his response. Meanwhile, Christian is making assumptions that Gasly has more potential than Carlos, I don't know how results point to that. This isn't a dig at Gasly, because I believe he'll improve. But I don't think the decision was a sporting one.

[Capharol]

This may not be a popular opinion, and I know it's still very early in the season. But it I feel it was a very wrong decision to release Carlos Sainz and promote Gasly ahead of him. I won't pretend to be a Red Bull fan, but it seemed more a political decision than performance. Carlos may not be a headline grabber, but he's very efficient and mature. He wanted the seat and I feel he deserved it.
He was very steady in Toro Rosso, and even though he wasn't happy, he still delivered important points and performances. Look at the struggles of Ricciardo integrating into Renault and compare with Carlos seamless adjustment at McLaren. They had an option on him, in the event a seat opened up in the senior team, but Marko lacks the temperament to make an unbiased decision. Since Carlos left, he's never bad mouthed them or taken shots at the team. Even when Marko made the McLaren at the back statement, he was very diplomatic with his response. Meanwhile, Christian is making assumptions that Gasly has more potential than Carlos, I don't know how results point to that. This isn't a dig at Gasly, because I believe he'll improve. But I don't think the decision was a sporting one.

Sainz screwed up his change as he and his father started talking to the spanish media ...sorry to say ... --- about Verstappen going to Ferrari, to force there way into a Red Bull.

I although agree with you that Gasly is way of pace and not anyway near Verstappen as in qualifying or pacewise.... if he can be good enough for that seat?
I personally doubt that too, but RB had no real other option, Ricciardo decides to go to Renault although RB gave him everything he asked for, Hartley wasn't good enough, so there was only one option: promote Gasly to RB to fill up the empty spot RIC left behind.
I guess following will happen:
give Gasly his chance
put Kvyat first back in TR, if Gasly fails, they promote Kvyat back to RB
because if they had taken Kvyat or Albon directly to RB... Gasly would be a, mildly said, a very unhappy guy.

[godlameroso]

I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret, this year, the tires are really the main deciding factor. The chassis, are pretty close, Honda is a little behind, the Red Bull car is good, probably as good as either Ferrari or Mercedes. Could it be better, sure, could the engine be better, sure, but that's not their biggest weakness. The problem for everyone is the tires, the gaps are perfectly explained by them, the cars are so close that just getting the tires in the window can mean half a second of performance. Take a car like the Red Bull which is a second a lap faster than Haas, but with tires outside their window, they're now .5 seconds closer, and if Haas gets the tires in the perfect window, they're .5 seconds faster. The result .087 seconds difference in qualifying.

In the race, the temperatures will average out, they'll get hot in the same places for everyone, and change as the track evolves and the temperature drops. Then it's not about being in the perfect window for one lap, but for the race average. I have no doubt the Red Bull over a race distance will demolish everyone short of McLaren or Haas around here, and even then, there's 3 DRS zones. If Gasly's car is in fact quicker he should end behind Verstappen only. That is of course unless Verstappen Alonso's his way to a podium.

[Capharol]

I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret, this year, the tires are really the main deciding factor. The chassis, are pretty close, Honda is a little behind, the Red Bull car is good, probably as good as either Ferrari or Mercedes. Could it be better, sure, could the engine be better, sure, but that's not their biggest weakness. The problem for everyone is the tires, the gaps are perfectly explained by them, the cars are so close that just getting the tires in the window can mean half a second of performance. Take a car like the Red Bull which is a second a lap faster than Haas, but with tires outside their window, they're now .5 seconds closer, and if Haas gets the tires in the perfect window, they're .5 seconds faster. The result .087 seconds difference in qualifying.

In the race, the temperatures will average out, they'll get hot in the same places for everyone, and change as the track evolves and the temperature drops. Then it's not about being in the perfect window for one lap, but for the race average. I have no doubt the Red Bull over a race distance will demolish everyone short of McLaren or Haas around here, and even then, there's 3 DRS zones. If Gasly's car is in fact quicker he should end behind Verstappen only. That is of course unless Verstappen Alonso's his way to a podium.

oh come on..... you know better than that .... all others haven't got a problem with the tyres (Mc Laren, Haas, Ferrari, Mercedes) to get the tyres in that window but RB does when they do so bad in Quali?
All Teams had at least 1 car on track as VER or GAS where on track and still that gap was close......

no there is more then just the tyre window thing .....

[godlameroso]

I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret, this year, the tires are really the main deciding factor. The chassis, are pretty close, Honda is a little behind, the Red Bull car is good, probably as good as either Ferrari or Mercedes. Could it be better, sure, could the engine be better, sure, but that's not their biggest weakness. The problem for everyone is the tires, the gaps are perfectly explained by them, the cars are so close that just getting the tires in the window can mean half a second of performance. Take a car like the Red Bull which is a second a lap faster than Haas, but with tires outside their window, they're now .5 seconds closer, and if Haas gets the tires in the perfect window, they're .5 seconds faster. The result .087 seconds difference in qualifying.

In the race, the temperatures will average out, they'll get hot in the same places for everyone, and change as the track evolves and the temperature drops. Then it's not about being in the perfect window for one lap, but for the race average. I have no doubt the Red Bull over a race distance will demolish everyone short of McLaren or Haas around here, and even then, there's 3 DRS zones. If Gasly's car is in fact quicker he should end behind Verstappen only. That is of course unless Verstappen Alonso's his way to a podium.

oh come on..... you know better than that .... all others haven't got a problem with the tyres (Mc Laren, Haas, Ferrari, Mercedes) to get the tyres in that window but RB does when they do so bad in Quali?
All Teams had at least 1 car on track as VER or GAS where on track and still that gap was close......

no there is more then just the tyre window thing .....

On the contrary, it's why Renault was eliminated in Q1, and their long run pace is better than Haas. McLaren has always had good suspension, and an ability to work the tires(despite the opinions of some here). How do you explain Ferrari being so slow in Melbourne?