2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[SmallSoldier]

I'm going to let you guys in on a little secret, this year, the tires are really the main deciding factor. The chassis, are pretty close, Honda is a little behind, the Red Bull car is good, probably as good as either Ferrari or Mercedes. Could it be better, sure, could the engine be better, sure, but that's not their biggest weakness. The problem for everyone is the tires, the gaps are perfectly explained by them, the cars are so close that just getting the tires in the window can mean half a second of performance. Take a car like the Red Bull which is a second a lap faster than Haas, but with tires outside their window, they're now .5 seconds closer, and if Haas gets the tires in the perfect window, they're .5 seconds faster. The result .087 seconds difference in qualifying.

In the race, the temperatures will average out, they'll get hot in the same places for everyone, and change as the track evolves and the temperature drops. Then it's not about being in the perfect window for one lap, but for the race average. I have no doubt the Red Bull over a race distance will demolish everyone short of McLaren or Haas around here, and even then, there's 3 DRS zones. If Gasly's car is in fact quicker he should end behind Verstappen only. That is of course unless Verstappen Alonso's his way to a podium.

The part that needs to be a concern for RBH is the improvements year on year... In Melbourne they were the team that improved the least compared to 2018 (with the exception of Williams) and in Bahrain that trend continued to show itself with even Williams improving more compared to 2018 in Qualifying... What the data seems to show is that RBH are getting farther from the top 2 and closer to the midfield.

The data below is the gap from every team to the Ultimate Pace time (best sectors in Qualifying). *Data from Lightsoutblog




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[Wouter]

"Something is not right yet"
“I have a lot of understeer, then once again oversteer. It went in all directions, it was difficult to find a balance. "I know there can be a quick response, hopefully it will take no more than 2 or 3 races." Something ironic, where reliability was questioned beforehand the H word of the engine has not fallen once. “I don't think we should say anything about Honda while we ourselves are wrong in terms of balance. They do their utmost, nothing breaks. I have nothing to complain about. "

“The longruns look good again. Then the differences may be somewhat smaller. But there is work to be done, I always try to get the best out of it. And if tomorrow is fifth, then it is fifth. We have to be fast enough to fight. Ferrari has made a step with the engine, it's hard to fight that. And if you don't have a good balance in the car, then it will stop. ”

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[McMika98]

Suprised to hear the car is struggling with balance having a loose rear where they cant get into the throttle too soon. It usually was their strength. The new tyre blanket ban on rears are taking its toll. Last week the Ferrari dropped back and now RedBull. Anyways race will be exciting though.

[Marti_EF3]

Speed traps don't look good like in Melbourne

[amho]

Speed traps don't look good like in Melbourne

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27OcwWX0AE ... name=large

RB is the second slowest in low speed corners( according to F1.com ) so it has poor traction that affects speed traps...

[godlameroso]

Low trap speeds didn't hurt Haas too badly.

[maguetox]

Suprised to hear the car is struggling with balance having a loose rear where they cant get into the throttle too soon. It usually was their strength. The new tyre blanket ban on rears are taking its toll. Last week the Ferrari dropped back and now RedBull. Anyways race will be exciting though.

The answer is very simple but too complex at the same time. RBR its adapting their chassis from the Renault PU to what looks like a more powerful Honda PU with different power delivery characteristics. RBR knew what to expect from Renault, they knew them very well so the chassis was easy optimize to the Renault characteristics, now, even if the Honda is not as good as the Mercedes or Ferrari, is an improvement an d the need too adjust accordingly, similar situation with McLaren last year.

[etusch]

Suprised to hear the car is struggling with balance having a loose rear where they cant get into the throttle too soon. It usually was their strength. The new tyre blanket ban on rears are taking its toll. Last week the Ferrari dropped back and now RedBull. Anyways race will be exciting though.

The answer is very simple but too complex at the same time. RBR its adapting their chassis from the Renault PU to what looks like a more powerful Honda PU with different power delivery characteristics. RBR knew what to expect from Renault, they knew them very well so the chassis was easy optimize to the Renault characteristics, now, even if the Honda is not as good as the Mercedes or Ferrari, is an improvement an d the need too adjust accordingly, similar situation with McLaren last year.

I also think that this is an integration issue. (Maybe it is early to have a conclusion but it seems so for now)
could it be because of ex-gearbox, adapted to Honda engine with only needed change?

[McMika98]

They had the engine data last year and this year on 4 cars. TR with last years Renault engine based gearbox and they seemed competitive given Albon outqualified Gasly even with a mistake on final corner. Horner said it they cant get the C3 to work in optimum condition, RedBull car sliding and nervous on corners is not something you hear.

[makecry]

They had the engine data last year and this year on 4 cars. TR with last years Renault engine based gearbox and they seemed competitive given Albon outqualified Gasly even with a mistake on final corner. Horner said it they cant get the C3 to work in optimum condition, RedBull car sliding and nervous on corners is not something you hear.

Where did this "Renault engine based gearbox" come? There is no "Renault engine based gearbox", they are basically using the same transmission or I'd say the entire drive train that RBR uses.

[GhostF1]

They had the engine data last year and this year on 4 cars. TR with last years Renault engine based gearbox and they seemed competitive given Albon outqualified Gasly even with a mistake on final corner. Horner said it they cant get the C3 to work in optimum condition, RedBull car sliding and nervous on corners is not something you hear.

Where did this "Renault engine based gearbox" come? There is no "Renault engine based gearbox", they are basically using the same transmission or I'd say the entire drive train that RBR uses.

It's come from the fact Franz Tost said the gearbox is last year's RBR gearbox.

[McMika98]

TR is using the gearbox (houses transmission) from last year including rear suspension. Now thats not going to be anything but optimal as the engines are so different in architecture, one would see integration issues with this setup.

[NL_Fer]

Red Bull is going to be much faster in the race, Gasly will finish ahead of the 2 Haas, and both McLarens. The tires are easier to get into the window in the race.

That’s a bold prediction... Haas and Mclaren’s straight line speed is not bad and the delta’s between the teams in race trim isn’t that high, so I don’t expect for Gasly to be easy to go through the field.


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Redbull is very quick in the last part of the track, he can get close in the final corners en overtake on the straight.

[Godius]

They should have tried to run the struts again at the rear during the free practices. Maybe they are suffering again from the diffuser instability or rear wing dropouts like in pre-season testing.

[PowerandtheGlory]

Speed traps don't look good like in Melbourne

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/D27OcwWX0AE ... name=large

This post shows where the cars are engine wise. Correlation across all sectors and DRS and engine modes would have been used during too. Renault PU not looking too shabby at all.