2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Sieper]

No, he indeed was Miles off but what Ispano is reffering too they might have not pulled Gasly in for a second pit stop, and gamble on his tires to make it to the finish. I think that would have been impossible on the red tires.

[Maplesoup]

No, he indeed was Miles off but what Ispano is reffering too they might have not pulled Gasly in for a second pit stop, and gamble on his tires to make it to the finish. I think that would have been impossible on the red tires.

I don't think they had a choice he started on soft, then switched to softs. You have to use 2 compounds during the race so had too pit again. Same strategy that Hamilton went with

[Sieper]

Oh Yeah, so it was even 100% impossible, they still HAD to use a different compound.

[Sayeman]

What's everyone opinion on Honda this race? They looked slow on the straights. I am not sure if the traction issues with the cars is hurting their speed. Other cars got past Gasly and the TR's easier than to my liking

Hard to make a comparison between RB and TR since they both are sharing the same rear end..so might be having the same issue.

When is the next PU upgrade due?

[Jambier]

They will get it asap, even with penalty

They had a lucky podium in Melbourne but they have to be realistic, Honda has made enormous progress in reliability, but they probably are still the least powerful engine

[TNTHead]

They will get it asap, even with penalty

They had a lucky podium in Melbourne but they have to be realistic, Honda has made enormous progress in reliability, but they probably are still the least powerful engine

It's hard to say if Honda and Renault are on par in power or one of the two has the upper hand. This video suggests that the Renault powered Mclaren had either better traction out of corners, or does plainly has more torque/power:
https://youtu.be/9ptvx7qqCr8

At least we know that on the chassis side Red Bull is not where they want or should be

[Jambier]

I think the more plausible option is that switching to Honda, RB will be approximately at the same place than with Renault.

For now it is worse, but with engine and chassis upgrade they should be at same level than 2018.

[loner]

What's everyone opinion on Honda this race? They looked slow on the straights. I am not sure if the traction issues with the cars is hurting their speed. Other cars got past Gasly and the TR's easier than to my liking

Hard to make a comparison between RB and TR since they both are sharing the same rear end..so might be having the same issue.

When is the next PU upgrade due?

they are very close its about setup now .. RBR will sort it soon .. anyway anyone saw the winter testing should know
that the Ferrari were stopping on the track every time they turn the wick up they have a reliability issues which will continue with them longer in the season one way or another iam kinda sure Ferrari will be third comes abu dhabi gp
as soon as RBR sort the setup there will be some great fighting between max vs mercs and ferrarri

[etusch]

From point of damage limitation, it was not bad. Hope we will see a fast Redbull in chine again after this poor performance.
This race showed us that you have to stay close as much as possible to car front of you if you want to benefit its possible mistake or problem. If max could stay a bit closer he can make podium again.

[McMika98]

Hopefully someone can shed some light, i think Redbull are struggling with the new suspension to work with the new engine package, getting the most on braking and traction which has always been their strength. As they have now packed the Honda so deep into the chassis the engine gap to the rear tyres is prolly the most of any teams and more than what they ever had previously. On tracks like this where it is pretry much start stop, accelerate the dynamics under braking has a huge effect especially on tyre temps. They seem to be too hot on some corners and too cold on others. I always think that aero is too hyped and fundamental vehicle dynamics not given enough coverage especially with the new regs and tyre compounds.
Every week its either aero or engine. Mclaren have done the right thing i think, as Lando said post race they made aero simple and minimal and went on understanding the car dynamics throughout last year and now they have James Key who is just brillant at that. Race pace is all about tyres, look at Haas evwn if they are 4th fastest on one lap, they are back of midfield today.

[Sieper]

There are no simple solutions, at 300 kmh air resistance is massive, and yet you have to retain cornering capability. It is an enormous puzzle. McLaren (Thank you mc in you username Guy) sure did much much, much better then last year but they are still not at RBR level. Not even now that RBR are clearly struggling.

[McMika98]

There are no simple solutions, at 300 kmh air resistance is massive, and yet you have to retain cornering capability. It is an enormous puzzle. McLaren (Thank you mc in you username Guy) sure did much much, much better then last year but they are still not at RBR level. Not even now that RBR are clearly struggling.

Thats exactly my point. By now they know more than 90% of how the resistance and cornering of all bits and pieces in car works. Aero wise no doubt Redbull is superior to all midfield but the fact is the car for is not stable and cannot generate good traction. Horner said its tyres which is the What of the issue. The Why, is what they need to find out like Ferrari did.
Also look at the onboards from Mclaren these guys are so confident under braking and then on acceleration whilst the Honda powered cars are squirming around.

[Sieper]

Ferrari is another subject. I will be curious to see how that develops. Yes RBR have Some very big questions to answer, which pieces of the puzzle are wrong. I can imagine that even with modern methods that is still a bit of a guessing game. It seems (from Max’ post race) they have Some ideas. I hope they will find the answer otherwise they might be battling your team.

[Marti_EF3]

I hope they not get lost on the midfield sometimes until we get to Europe. Race today was disapointing, and I'm with strange feeling. Don't know what to think, if its an easy solving issue, or the car has born wrong and that will be a lost season. It will be hard. I want to see Honda succeed with a team like RBR, but may not be 2019 for what I see so far...

China can come soon enough to clear somethings, but for now is discouraging. Seeing a Mclaren overtaking that easy, one of the cars lost on the low top 10 unable to do nothing...

Next race will be another thing

[Godius]

Gasly is just bad.

He is not aggressive enough. Reminds me of Vandoorne. Waiting eternity for that perfect overtake rather than forcing your way through like Verstappen or Alonso.

I think Marko and Horner did not do the right thing in pre-season testing where they publicly criticised and to some extend shamed Gasly for his 2 crashed. They should have given full support to the new guy in the team. It is very clear to notice that Gasly does not want to drive the car on a knife edge because he’s too afraid of the consequences.