2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Capharol]

Gasly is just bad.

He is not aggressive enough. Reminds me of Vandoorne. Waiting eternity for that perfect overtake rather than forcing your way through like Verstappen or Alonso.

I think Marko and Horner did not do the right thing in pre-season testing where they publicly criticised and to some extend shamed Gasly for his 2 crashed. They should have given full support to the new guy in the team. It is very clear to notice that Gasly does not want to drive the car on a knife edge because he’s too afraid of the consequences.

give full support to a guy that messed up the testing, not only once, but twice, which compromised Verstappens his testing and shreddet new parts and a gearbox which could have been essential to find out how the car works?

Gasly is just a piece of band aid to stop the bleeding, but won't fix the wound itself

[Quantum]

I wish it was 0.3, but I'm willing to place a bet that it's double that in Bahrain despite the track being around 11% shorter time wise.

Well, I’ll take you up on that ...

0.550 seconds deficit, around an 11% shorter track.

[Ratatouille]

GP2 engine!!!

https://streamable.com/rcxv3

Here you can see how the Renault powered Mclaren has much better traction and top speed than the Red Bull powered by Honda.

[foneFanatiq]

They (both Max and Pierre) have said the entire weekend that the rear of the car loses traction and is very difficult to drive. It’s no secret they need to work on this. It is costing them dearly when it’s coming out of the corners other cars were too close for comfort in this race and I hope they can either find a better set up on the rear or figure out why this keeps happening. Im sure they will fix this issue in the coming races.

[Bence]

Ratatouille, congrats to your utter brilliance understanding technical aspects...

[SmallSoldier]

There are no simple solutions, at 300 kmh air resistance is massive, and yet you have to retain cornering capability. It is an enormous puzzle. McLaren (Thank you mc in you username Guy) sure did much much, much better then last year but they are still not at RBR level. Not even now that RBR are clearly struggling.

Even when I agree that Mclaren isn’t at RBR level yet... They may not be as far off as they used to be... In Qualifying Max was only 0.061 ahead of Sainz, during the race Sainz was definitely keeping pace with Max (and he could have placed himself in front of him) and Norris managed to pass Gasly on track with relatively ease (and kept moving up the order after dropping to 15th in the first lap).

Bahrain may have been a one-off track for Red Bull and one where they simply struggled... But the fact that the rest of teams improved more year on year in both Melbourne and Bahrain than Red Bull did has to be of some concern.


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[Brenton]

Sorry if this has been answered but I'm curious if it's known approximately how switching to Honda has/will impact Red Bull Racing's budget? Instead of paying Renault ... I don't know how much they and other teams typically pay for an engine supplier ... they're getting Honda money. I've assumed that long term the Honda choice is likely a great choice if Honda is currently similar in performance to Renault PU because of the long term budget implications but could anyone correct me on this? I hope Red Bull is able to match the other two top teams and make a great 3 way battle soon, and any F1 team needs as much cash as they can get to compete with Mercedes and Ferrari's +400m/year budgets.

He is not aggressive enough. Reminds me of Vandoorne. Waiting eternity for that perfect overtake rather than forcing your way through like Verstappen or Alonso.

I think Marko and Horner did not do the right thing in pre-season testing where they publicly criticised and to some extend shamed Gasly for his 2 crashed. They should have given full support to the new guy in the team. It is very clear to notice that Gasly does not want to drive the car on a knife edge because he’s too afraid of the consequences.

give full support to a guy that messed up the testing, not only once, but twice, which compromised Verstappens his testing and shreddet new parts and a gearbox which could have been essential to find out how the car works?

Gasly is just a piece of band aid to stop the bleeding, but won't fix the wound itself

Ouch that's harsh... is that how Red Bull likely view him? A band aid, not talented enough, to be tossed once a better option is ready?

[Singabule]

GP2 engine!!!

https://streamable.com/rcxv3

Here you can see how the Renault powered Mclaren has much better traction and top speed than the Red Bull powered by Honda.

Seriuosly this guy.. At least Honda engine is reliable, not like the wanna be F1 engine who detonates itself

[Singabule]

Sorry if this has been answered but I'm curious if it's known approximately how switching to Honda has/will impact Red Bull Racing's budget? Instead of paying Renault ... I don't know how much they and other teams typically pay for an engine supplier ... they're getting Honda money. I've assumed that long term the Honda choice is likely a great choice if Honda is currently similar in performance to Renault PU because of the long term budget implications but could anyone correct me on this? I hope Red Bull is able to match the other two top teams and make a great 3 way battle soon, and any F1 team needs as much cash as they can get to compete with Mercedes and Ferrari's +400m/year budgets.

I think Marko and Horner did not do the right thing in pre-season testing where they publicly criticised and to some extend shamed Gasly for his 2 crashed. They should have given full support to the new guy in the team. It is very clear to notice that Gasly does not want to drive the car on a knife edge because he’s too afraid of the consequences.

give full support to a guy that messed up the testing, not only once, but twice, which compromised Verstappens his testing and shreddet new parts and a gearbox which could have been essential to find out how the car works?

Gasly is just a piece of band aid to stop the bleeding, but won't fix the wound itself

Ouch that's harsh... is that how Red Bull likely view him? A band aid, not talented enough, to be tossed once a better option is ready?

The hard cash effect would be less than 100 mio for two teams, but from marketing standpoints its hard to say as they are enjoying free spotlight currently. This is how RB and honda built a relationship in many sports

[foneFanatiq]

How people are writing off the entire season to me is ridiculous. If you remember this time last year both cars were a DNF. So I think we can all just take a step back and just relax a little bit

[Hammerfist]

They will get it asap, even with penalty

They had a lucky podium in Melbourne but they have to be realistic, Honda has made enormous progress in reliability, but they probably are still the least powerful engine

How do you explain the high trap speeds then? All downforce related? I don't think so.

I don't think any of the engines are suffering from a huge power deficit any longer. I think the differences might be more in driveability.

[GhostF1]

That video has been posted around several topics being used as a highlight for "how good Renault is compared to Honda".. What I find interesting is down the straight, the Renault has a 2kph advantage on a car with less downforce and with a better getaway from last corner, during the mid section of the track, again, with traction issues, the Honda catches up.

If anything this highlights the performance of the Honda as opposed to the Renault pushing around a lower downforce car that had better traction on this weekend. We should consider all variables before claiming false truths..

I also don't need to bring up the whole "2 race weekends, 3 Renault failures" do I? No use being quick if all your components are used up before we even get back to Barcelona.

[SmallSoldier]

That video has been posted around several topics being used as a highlight for "how good Renault is compared to Honda".. What I find interesting is down the straight, the Renault has a 2kph advantage on a car with less downforce and with a better getaway from last corner, during the mid section of the track, again, with traction issues, the Honda catches up.

If anything this highlights the performance of the Honda as opposed to the Renault pushing around a lower downforce car that had better traction on this weekend. We should consider all variables before claiming false truths..

I also don't need to bring up the whole "2 race weekends, 3 Renault failures" do I? No use being quick if all your components are used up before we even get back to Barcelona.

I’m sure no one will deny that Honda’s reliability has been top notch! And that Renault is lagging behind in that department so far in the season... In that regard Honda is doing awesome and surprising many... If Red Bull’s move to Honda was for reliability, so far it could be considered a success.

I believe the other point of the story are the comments (by Red Bull) that Honda was a more powerful engine than Renault and that it had better drivability... The results so far seem to show that might not be the case.

Red Bull beat both Haas and Mclaren by less than a tenth of a second in Qualifying... If the Honda engine is better than Renault’s, does that mean that Mclaren has built a better chassis than Red Bull?

Ultimately is very early in the season, Red Bull will surely improve and bring updates to it’s the car... The question is if they will bring more performance than the rest and if they will recover what was a very hefty gap to the midfield as they have had for the last 4 years... Today they seem uncomfortably closer to the midfield... China will provide another set of data for us to understand the different car’s potential and what their trend is for the rest of the season.


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[ispano6]

Ratatouille, congrats to your utter brilliance understanding technical aspects...

Thanks!!! GP2 engine!!!

I think you're in the wrong forum thread? Complaining here about Renaults GP2 engine is useless!

[langedweil]

I wish it was 0.3, but I'm willing to place a bet that it's double that in Bahrain despite the track being around 11% shorter time wise.

Well, I’ll take you up on that ...

0.550 seconds deficit, around an 11% shorter track.

Have to admit, close .. but not yet double
In addition .. the track is little over 2% longer (5.303m vs 5.417m), and pole took about a 10.4% longer (1:20.486 vs 1:28.886).