2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Bill]

To be honest I think Honda fans are chilled they know the Japanese firm had done a great job since last year it is the Mclaren fans who got an axe to grind. Max,Horner,Marko has repeatedly said Rbr chassis has issues of balance,traction , downforce but I guess facts don't matter

[godlameroso]

0.550 seconds deficit, around an 11% shorter track.

Have to admit, close .. but not yet double
In addition .. the track is little over 2% longer (5.303m vs 5.417m), and pole took about a 10.4% longer (1:20.486 vs 1:28.886).

Front limited track up next (only one on the calendar), any bets as to what the difference will be here?
My guess is this track will be a lottery.

And my 11% shorter statement was accurate in relation to time ....you know time differential is more important than distance.
Length of track cedes to time, everytime.

You need good traction, there are slow corners in China. After the long right hander at the start, at the end of the kink. After the high speed 7 & 8, coming onto the back straight, after the back straight. The nature of the corners are more Barcelona like, long sweeping corners and tight hairpins.

[HPD]

Watch the throttle

[Capharol]

I think Marko and Horner did not do the right thing in pre-season testing where they publicly criticised and to some extend shamed Gasly for his 2 crashed. They should have given full support to the new guy in the team. It is very clear to notice that Gasly does not want to drive the car on a knife edge because he’s too afraid of the consequences.

give full support to a guy that messed up the testing, not only once, but twice, which compromised Verstappens his testing and shreddet new parts and a gearbox which could have been essential to find out how the car works?

Gasly is just a piece of band aid to stop the bleeding, but won't fix the wound itself

Ouch that's harsh... is that how Red Bull likely view him? A band aid, not talented enough, to be tossed once a better option is ready?

that's how I see it, how RB sees it, I don't know but knowing Marko and Horner he ain't happy with the preformance Gasly showed .... not at testing in Barcelona, not in Qualifying, not in the Race .....

Gasly need to get his act together FAST.... because if Albon keeps up his good work that he showed already the fait of Gasly could be the one like Kvyat .... demote to TR and at last out of F1 at all

[HPD]

Asked if the car was better in the race than in qualifying, where both Verstappen and his teammate Pierre Gasly were unhappy, Verstappen said: "No, absolutely not. A lot of oversteer.

"I didn't have a single lap where I felt it was looking good. It was just a question of surviving and bringing it home after every stint."

"The set-up changes made for qualifying were the wrong direction and then you can't change it so in the race it was also not good," Verstappen said of his grand prix.

"I was just struggling for grip, so I was sliding around a lot and managing my tyres till the end."

"We scored better than we expected," he said. "On that front we maximised [the result].

"We just have to do better. The championship is long and right now we're having a tough time. Then you have to make sure you don't drop too many points.

"Nothing has happened yet, but we have to improve."

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/vers ... g/4362997/

[KelsO]

The Ferrari 064 and Mercedes-AMG F1 M10 EQ Power + even power units are. Two institutes for recording phonometric data presented themselves with their state-of-the-art tools in Sakhir to gather very interesting information on the 2019 engine power.
The first datum that would have emerged in the qualification of the Bahrain GP is that the wall of the thousand horses has not broken through anymore. And this is already an interesting news: there has been a small step backwards because the lubricating oil can no longer be used as a fuel additive.

The major controls of the FIA, therefore, have made impossible a practice to the limit, if not beyond. The surveys, in fact, read a peak of 990 horses in Q3 when Ferrari and Mercedes used the most extreme engine maps.
It is therefore interesting to note which is the real gap between the other two engines. Around the 6-cylinder Honda there was a big marketing campaign to emphasize the growth of the Japanese unit that certainly made a big step forward in the winter.

There was overtaking on the Renault in terms of pure power, so it is justified that the Red Bull men praise the work done by the Japanese that offered a more compact engine than the Renault thanks to a manic packaging and with a delta of horses that are measurable, but the gap between Mercedes and Ferrari remains very large: there is talk of 38 horses!
In short, it's a lot of stuff, which puts the Milton Keynes team back in the natural role of a third wheel, but certainly not a challenger for the world title. In the face of who was playing a sheet music out of tune, claiming that the Honda power unit had arrived at only 10 horses from the new Mercedes engine. Too bad they were so convincing in shooting her big that Lewis Hamilton had believed it too.

And the Renault, then? It has sunk to the bottom of the list of four Builders, with 7 horses less than Honda. Little stuff, one might say, and it explains why Carlos Sainz arrived with the McLaren MCL34-Renault only one tenth from Max Verstappen's RB15 in Q3.

https://it.motorsport.com/f1/news/power ... e/4362961/

[nzjrs]

To be honest I think Honda fans are chilled they know the Japanese firm had done a great job since last year it is the Mclaren fans who got an axe to grind. Max,Horner,Marko has repeatedly said Rbr chassis has issues of balance,traction , downforce but I guess facts don't matter

Be the change you want to see in the world. Bickering, baiting and trolling belong in the race threads, not here.

[Sieper]

That video has been posted around several topics being used as a highlight for "how good Renault is compared to Honda".. What I find interesting is down the straight, the Renault has a 2kph advantage on a car with less downforce and with a better getaway from last corner, during the mid section of the track, again, with traction issues, the Honda catches up.

If anything this highlights the performance of the Honda as opposed to the Renault pushing around a lower downforce car that had better traction on this weekend. We should consider all variables before claiming false truths..

I also don't need to bring up the whole "2 race weekends, 3 Renault failures" do I? No use being quick if all your components are used up before we even get back to Barcelona.

I’m sure no one will deny that Honda’s reliability has been top notch! And that Renault is lagging behind in that department so far in the season... In that regard Honda is doing awesome and surprising many... If Red Bull’s move to Honda was for reliability, so far it could be considered a success.

I believe the other point of the story are the comments (by Red Bull) that Honda was a more powerful engine than Renault and that it had better drivability... The results so far seem to show that might not be the case.

Red Bull beat both Haas and Mclaren by less than a tenth of a second in Qualifying... If the Honda engine is better than Renault’s, does that mean that Mclaren has built a better chassis than Red Bull?

Ultimately is very early in the season, Red Bull will surely improve and bring updates to it’s the car... The question is if they will bring more performance than the rest and if they will recover what was a very hefty gap to the midfield as they have had for the last 4 years... Today they seem uncomfortably closer to the midfield... China will provide another set of data for us to understand the different car’s potential and what their trend is for the rest of the season.


Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk

I agree with your sentiment that certainly Mclaren is very close (too close for comfort) at the moment but most teams won (McLaren almost 2 seconds I believe) year over year 2018 to 2019 in Bahrein and RBR lost 0,5 seconds. That is not normal. I do expect the RB15 to improve quickly as this must also have been for some part in the set-up.

[foneFanatiq]

I think these 2 testing days can be very beneficial to them. Either to find a better set up on the car. Or to better understand why it is behaving in this way. Possibly test new aero parts on the rear of the car.

[DutchDopey]

The Ferrari 064 and Mercedes-AMG F1 M10 EQ Power + even power units are. Two institutes for recording phonometric data presented themselves with their state-of-the-art tools in Sakhir to gather very interesting information on the 2019 engine power.

Phonometric, how does that work in measuring power ?

[_cerber1]

The Ferrari 064 and Mercedes-AMG F1 M10 EQ Power + even power units are. Two institutes for recording phonometric data presented themselves with their state-of-the-art tools in Sakhir to gather very interesting information on the 2019 engine power.

Phonometric, how does that work in measuring power ?

No, this is a joke on April 1st.

[DutchDopey]

Phonometric, how does that work in measuring power ?

No, this is a joke on April 1st.

[KelsO]

The Ferrari 064 and Mercedes-AMG F1 M10 EQ Power + even power units are. Two institutes for recording phonometric data presented themselves with their state-of-the-art tools in Sakhir to gather very interesting information on the 2019 engine power.

Phonometric, how does that work in measuring power ?

maybe it's an April Fool's joke, I don't know.

[dtro]

Phonometric, how does that work in measuring power ?

No, this is a joke on April 1st.

It didn't pass the laugh test, not even close.

[HPD]

This is a good summary of the weekend for Red Bull.

Max in the background watching Hamilton victory.
Gasly walking between the cars with the helmet on.