2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

Sometimes the answer is right in front and there is no point over analyzing. Lando lost out by a miniscule and he is a rookie albeit an impressive one but a rookie nonetheless. He did a decent job today but clearly there was time left in the car. His best lap in Q2 had a yellow first sector

Sainz has a good record here but he made a mistake in S2 and by his own admission made another mistake in S3 in pursuit of chasing lost time.

The midfield is tight and teams cannot afford to leave time on the table and move on to Q3. I am happy with the job Mclaren drivers have done so far this season but today was not to be. But sh*t happens and now they have fresh tyres and decent starting positions with good long run pace. If they keep their nose clean at the start points are possible.

I think given the size of the upgrade many expected them to be a distant 4th quickest but they ended up 7th and hence the subverted expectations. It seems on tracks that suit the car like Bahrain the gains would be more apparent, but this volatility doesn't bode well. It's still a new car and maybe by mid season they'll hit their target of clear 4th but judging by deficits in mid speed corner DF on top of poor mechanical grip, it'll be a seemingly tall order to climb.

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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[Bisonas]

Strategy for the race?? lots of scenarios are on the table.
i don't think they will start on medium.
I think both of them or at least one of them will start on fresh softs.
1st probable Scenario. Both of them will start on fresh softs. They will try to gain as much as possible(or not to lose much ground because they start on the dirty side) in opening laps with fresh soft rubber. Depending on position, degradation and lap times, they will pit one of them early (probably they will be faster and stack behind others) committing to 2 stop going for the undercut (Soft soft medium) and trying to reshuffle the cards a bit , forcing others midfielders to follow suit.
The other Mclaren will stay out going to one stop (Soft hard)
2nd probable scenario will be starting one MCL on Soft, with option to go Soft/Soft/medium or Soft/Hard, depending how the race is progressing , and the other MCL on Medium with Medium/Hard one stop in mind.

[M840TR]

Sometimes the answer is right in front and there is no point over analyzing. Lando lost out by a miniscule and he is a rookie albeit an impressive one but a rookie nonetheless. He did a decent job today but clearly there was time left in the car. His best lap in Q2 had a yellow first sector

Sainz has a good record here but he made a mistake in S2 and by his own admission made another mistake in S3 in pursuit of chasing lost time.

The midfield is tight and teams cannot afford to leave time on the table and move on to Q3. I am happy with the job Mclaren drivers have done so far this season but today was not to be. But sh*t happens and now they have fresh tyres and decent starting positions with good long run pace. If they keep their nose clean at the start points are possible.

I think given the size of the upgrade many expected them to be a distant 4th quickest but they ended up 7th and hence the subverted expectations. It seems on tracks that suit the car like Bahrain the gains would be more apparent, but this volatility doesn't bode well. It's still a new car and maybe by mid season they'll hit their target of clear 4th but judging by deficits in mid speed corner DF on top of poor mechanical grip, it'll be a seemingly tall order to climb.

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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If and buts don't really count though. They should've been 4th on paper and lost out to Haas by 0.5 sec. Clearly some homework to do.

[Espen84]

Ferrari is the only team gaining less than McLaren compared to last years qualy in Spain. Hope the new package suits better on other tracks.

Not really, if we consider the teams best sectors (which eliminate driver error), the following are the teams improvement over previous year Qualy at Spain:

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Good point =)

[ThePapayaJaguar]

Kinda frustrated and worried about the Ferrari-type front wing on our cars. We should've went with a Red Bull or Mercedes type of front wing.

[zoroastar]

Kinda frustrated and worried about the Ferrari-type front wing on our cars. We should've went with a Red Bull or Mercedes type of front wing.

we had a redbull / mercedes type front wing, and they changed it. i dont think they would change it just to see what happens. there is a reason.

[BelieveinMCL]

MCL34's race pace have been encouraging this season. Hopefully there's no contact with other cars at early lap followed by good strategy will ensure a points. IMO, starting with a MED tyre with a 1-stop strategy would be worth to try even though riskier (i think they can be in position 4/5)

[diffuser]

Ferrari is the only team gaining less than McLaren compared to last years qualy in Spain. Hope the new package suits better on other tracks.

Don't use Alonso numbers, use Vandoorne's. If you think that's unfair Split the difference. Just don't use Alonso as the metric.

[zoroastar]

I think given the size of the upgrade many expected them to be a distant 4th quickest but they ended up 7th and hence the subverted expectations. It seems on tracks that suit the car like Bahrain the gains would be more apparent, but this volatility doesn't bode well. It's still a new car and maybe by mid season they'll hit their target of clear 4th but judging by deficits in mid speed corner DF on top of poor mechanical grip, it'll be a seemingly tall order to climb.

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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If and buts don't really count though. They should've been 4th on paper and lost out to Haas by 0.5 sec. Clearly some homework to do.

that seems a little harsh. being that its one quali session, in which sainz aborted his final lap. i think itll take a second to know how good the upgrades are. mclaren are the only team, as far as i know, that changed their aero concept. but yea, it doesnt seem to be a massive leap forward "yet". spain may not be the best track to render a decision though, since other teams tire problems wont be as apparent.

[RS200E]

We ar not in recovery mode anymore we are in goood shape now just behind the top 3 we need a top driver to push without silly mistakes

We definitely are in recovery mode and will continue to be for the next few years at least. There is no question about that.

Until there is a massive rule change and a budget cap AND an engine capable of matching Merc and Ferrari, McLaren will always be recovering from the last 7 or so years of disappointment.

tomato tomaato

You can't recover from something that hasn't taken place, hence, that would not be considered a recovery. They have somewhat recovered from the mistakes they made last year.

I agree the rule changes are required for all teams to be more competitive.

For all the good Brown has done he should have been able to correct the McLaren structure issues without getting rid of Honda. That resulted in making them even poor visa-vi the top three. What's done is done.

What are you on about. McLaren were once a championship fighting team and had the fastest car in 2012 (not really that long ago). Now they are recovering from many mistakes, which is ongoing and will still be ongoing untill several things fall into place. Brown quoted 10 years at first then changed to 5 years, but people here are getting far too ahead of themselves and Brown.

I'm not sure how and why people muster this empty optimism only to be disappointed in the next race or even the next session.

No doubt it's great McLaren fixed the problems of the 08 car. Now they might have a platform (including new people) to build on year after year.

[ThePapayaJaguar]

Kinda frustrated and worried about the Ferrari-type front wing on our cars. We should've went with a Red Bull or Mercedes type of front wing.

we had a redbull / mercedes type front wing, and they changed it. i dont think they would change it just to see what happens. there is a reason.

Surely, but my theory is that McLaren were very impressed by Ferrari in preseason testing and thought that they should do a front wing like them. I don't know, though. The new rear wing is very similar to Ferrari's as well. I'm pretty sure my theory is off because Carlos said that he was lacking rear grip. Verstappen said that Red Bull are still trying to understand their update as well, so we aren't the only ones. Our race pace looks very promising though. Fingers crossed for points tomorrow!

[mclaren111]

Personally I want to see the team finishing clear 4th for this year and show some progress of catching up the first 3. This must be the target if we want to claim that this year is successful.

Also I want to see James Key showing his talent in making an aerodynamic wonder. I want to see what the supposed to be Andrian Newey Jr. able to do or if this is all just a big overreaction.

Newey Jr next season but he can help to develop this car too

James Key is not an Aerodynamicist...

"Key joined Jordan Grand Prix in 1998 spending several years as a data engineer, then became race engineer for Takuma Sato. Following a year in the Wind Tunnel he transferred to the Vehicle Dynamics department, eventually becoming the department head during the team's final few seasons as Jordan Grand Prix & Shortly after the team's ownership transferred to MF1 Racing, he became Technical Director during the 2005 following a brief period as Technical Co-ordinator. He was one of the youngest Technical Directors of a Formula One team, at the age of 33 years, along with Sam Michael (born in 1971) who became the technical director of the Williams F1 team at the age of 33 during the 2004 season. Key retained his position during the team's transition through Spyker F1 to Force India"

[JordanMugen]

James Key is not an Aerodynamicist...

Interesting! Newey and Dernie have backgrounds as race engineer too, like Key. Key's background as a race engineer should be valuable, even if Key does not have the aero knowledge of Newey or Dernie.

[dr_cooke]

Sainz said that as asphalt temp rose, the rear started sliding more, so in fact the car ran better in Q1 than Q2. Could this be just wrong setup by not fully understanding new package yet?

Sometimes the answer is right in front and there is no point over analyzing. Lando lost out by a miniscule and he is a rookie albeit an impressive one but a rookie nonetheless. He did a decent job today but clearly there was time left in the car. His best lap in Q2 had a yellow first sector

Sainz has a good record here but he made a mistake in S2 and by his own admission made another mistake in S3 in pursuit of chasing lost time.

The midfield is tight and teams cannot afford to leave time on the table and move on to Q3. I am happy with the job Mclaren drivers have done so far this season but today was not to be. But sh*t happens and now they have fresh tyres and decent starting positions with good long run pace. If they keep their nose clean at the start points are possible.

I think given the size of the upgrade many expected them to be a distant 4th quickest but they ended up 7th and hence the subverted expectations. It seems on tracks that suit the car like Bahrain the gains would be more apparent, but this volatility doesn't bode well. It's still a new car and maybe by mid season they'll hit their target of clear 4th but judging by deficits in mid speed corner DF on top of poor mechanical grip, it'll be a seemingly tall order to climb.

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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[Darth-Piekus]

Then why are they calling him Andrian Newey Jr if he is not an aerodynamicist? What is his job at Mclaren and how will it affect the car?