2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[ThePapayaJaguar]

Sainz said that as asphalt temp rose, the rear started sliding more, so in fact the car ran better in Q1 than Q2. Could this be just wrong setup by not fully understanding new package yet?

Most likely.

I think given the size of the upgrade many expected them to be a distant 4th quickest but they ended up 7th and hence the subverted expectations. It seems on tracks that suit the car like Bahrain the gains would be more apparent, but this volatility doesn't bode well. It's still a new car and maybe by mid season they'll hit their target of clear 4th but judging by deficits in mid speed corner DF on top of poor mechanical grip, it'll be a seemingly tall order to climb.

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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[ThePapayaJaguar]

Sainz said that as asphalt temp rose, the rear started sliding more, so in fact the car ran better in Q1 than Q2. Could this be just wrong setup by not fully understanding new package yet?

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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Most likely.

[Ground Effect]

Then why are they calling him Andrian Newey Jr if he is not an aerodynamicist? What is his job at Mclaren and how will it affect the car?

Who is calling him Adrian Newey Jr?

[restless]

Sainz said that as asphalt temp rose, the rear started sliding more, so in fact the car ran better in Q1 than Q2. Could this be just wrong setup by not fully understanding new package yet?

In fact best times in Q3 were made in first attempts, except Kvyat and Riccardo - who were 9&10
Probably end of Q1 had best track conditions - simply top teams were not in qualy engine mode

[SmallSoldier]

I think given the size of the upgrade many expected them to be a distant 4th quickest but they ended up 7th and hence the subverted expectations. It seems on tracks that suit the car like Bahrain the gains would be more apparent, but this volatility doesn't bode well. It's still a new car and maybe by mid season they'll hit their target of clear 4th but judging by deficits in mid speed corner DF on top of poor mechanical grip, it'll be a seemingly tall order to climb.

But the car isn’t 7th on the order... Lando’s Q2 lap (with as said before, not his best second sector) was better than both Kvyat and Ricciardo’s Q3 lap... The car seemed to be 5th fastest behind Haas and in this Qualy, it was the drivers that probably didn’t got everything out of the car.

For me, the fact that there is an slight disappointment for not getting into Q3 is a positive sign, since the team has done a good enough job to raise expectations.


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If and buts don't really count though. They should've been 4th on paper and lost out to Haas by 0.5 sec. Clearly some homework to do.

If and buts? No... That’s what the data shows in regards to car performance... They should have been 4th on paper? Who’s paper?... Definitely not Mclaren’s since they never stated that they were expecting to be ahead of the midfield.

Agree that there is still homework to do.


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[SmallSoldier]

Sainz said that as asphalt temp rose, the rear started sliding more, so in fact the car ran better in Q1 than Q2. Could this be just wrong setup by not fully understanding new package yet?

In fact best times in Q3 were made in first attempts, except Kvyat and Riccardo - who were 9&10
Probably end of Q1 had best track conditions - simply top teams were not in qualy engine mode

That is a possibility... The teams setup the cars to generate “x” amount of heat in the tires and we know that the operating window of the tires is very narrow this season... The team could have had an optimum setup for when the track was 10 degrees colder and overheated the tires when the temperature increased.


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[Darth-Piekus]

Today it's hotter. Let's see how the tyres of the car behave. Everyone cross your fingers for a clear start. Any position gain from that clear start is welcomed.

[FittingMechanics]

Lando starting on softs. Seems they don't have new mediums available.

[Darth-Piekus]

Perhaps they are preparing to attack with Lando.

[diffuser]

We definitely are in recovery mode and will continue to be for the next few years at least. There is no question about that.

Until there is a massive rule change and a budget cap AND an engine capable of matching Merc and Ferrari, McLaren will always be recovering from the last 7 or so years of disappointment.

tomato tomaato

You can't recover from something that hasn't taken place, hence, that would not be considered a recovery. They have somewhat recovered from the mistakes they made last year.

I agree the rule changes are required for all teams to be more competitive.

For all the good Brown has done he should have been able to correct the McLaren structure issues without getting rid of Honda. That resulted in making them even poor visa-vi the top three. What's done is done.

What are you on about. McLaren were once a championship fighting team and had the fastest car in 2012 (not really that long ago). Now they are recovering from many mistakes, which is ongoing and will still be ongoing untill several things fall into place. Brown quoted 10 years at first then changed to 5 years, but people here are getting far too ahead of themselves and Brown.

I'm not sure how and why people muster this empty optimism only to be disappointed in the next race or even the next session.

No doubt it's great McLaren fixed the problems of the 08 car. Now they might have a platform (including new people) to build on year after year.

Just separating the "recovery mode" from 2018 problems from the loss of funding that started around 2012. McLaren Can't fix being out spent when it's a conscious decision.

[chrisgr]

Something happened to Norris.

[Darth-Piekus]

Bad start from Norris. We also don't seem to be doing well so far. Correction. We don't seem to be doing well in Spain generally today. Perhaps this race is not suited for the car?

This is a little dissapointing. Mclaren should be able to out develop the midfield teams by now.

Seems that we are going for 1 pit stop less than the rest. Curious to see where we finish.

Nope I was wrong. He got the medium. So possibly 2 pit stops.

[UnaF1]

So what happened to those mid 22's then? Sainz must be the worst driver McLaren ever hired!

[Darth-Piekus]

I have no idea what is going on. Is something not working as intended? It is clear unfortunately that at this race Haas, Torro Rossos and maybe the Renault are slightly faster than us. I don't know why is that happening. We should be able to outdevelop them.

[charliesmithhd]

I have no idea what is going on. Is something not working as intended? It is clear unfortunately that at this race Haas, Torro Rossos and maybe the Renault are slightly faster than us. I don't know why is that happening. We should be able to outdevelop them.

I’m leaning towards it being caused by going wrong direction in setup