2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[Ground Effect]

Canada will be an opportunity to validate the claims of Renault regarding the PU, hopefully the MCL34 will once again show good form on a low downforce circuit. I remember in Baku, Renault (works team) had a torrid time with their low downforce setup and had to revert to a higher downforce rear wing.

[diffuser]

Canada will be an opportunity to validate the claims of Renault regarding the PU, hopefully the MCL34 will once again show good form on a low downforce circuit. I remember in Baku, Renault (works team) had a torrid time with their low downforce setup and had to revert to a higher downforce rear wing.

I hear you. Look at the gap to the front runners in quali at Monaco where all the cars have way more power than they can use. I'd have to say that all of the gap is tire and chassis related.

[RS200E]

Mclaren need more HP to cover what its lagging in other places, unfortunatly power is only coming for real in Mercedes and Ferrari engines, even Honda are doing a better job now...

Renault have claimed that since the Spain upgrade, they can tell from GPS analysis that they have the same power as Ferrari and Mercedes in race spec. ONLY behind Ferrari in quali spec.

I think now we could possibly say that it isn't so much an engine Formula now like it was maybe 2 years ago. Lot's of word going around that it's Mercs suspension that is making the difference (in addition to Ferrari not getting strategy and tyres right). Better drivers at Merc too.

Only Honda are still a bit behind but they should catch up by start of 2020.

[trinidefender]

Mclaren need more HP to cover what its lagging in other places, unfortunatly power is only coming for real in Mercedes and Ferrari engines, even Honda are doing a better job now...

McLaren's problems this season are not related to the power of PU.

No, but however having the Merc PU would be making a difference.

In fact with how tight the midfield is, I wouldn't doubt that the extra qualy pace especially may have gained us a few qualifying positions over the past races this season and potentially more points.

Not to mention the reliability issues that we've had and future grid position penalties that we will have to take at some point.

As an example, lets assume a 0.1 second benefit average to qualifying time across all tracks. That's probably on the conservative side with the real advantage being greater but all the same I'll use that number.

Australia - no change in qualifying position
Bahrain - Sainz P7, would have qualified P5
- Norris P10, would have been P8
China - no change
Azerbaijan - no change
Spain - Norris P11, would have made Q3 and potentially made 3 positions with 10th being worst improvement.
- Sainz No change
Monaco - Sainz no change
- Norris P12, would been P11

[diffuser]

Mclaren need more HP to cover what its lagging in other places, unfortunatly power is only coming for real in Mercedes and Ferrari engines, even Honda are doing a better job now...

McLaren's problems this season are not related to the power of PU.

No, but however having the Merc PU would be making a difference.

In fact with how tight the midfield is, I wouldn't doubt that the extra qualy pace especially may have gained us a few qualifying positions over the past races this season and potentially more points.

Not to mention the reliability issues that we've had and future grid position penalties that we will have to take at some point.

As an example, lets assume a 0.1 second benefit average to qualifying time across all tracks. That's probably on the conservative side with the real advantage being greater but all the same I'll use that number.

Australia - no change in qualifying position
Bahrain - Sainz P7, would have qualified P5
- Norris P10, would have been P8
China - no change
Azerbaijan - no change
Spain - Norris P11, would have made Q3 and potentially made 3 positions with 10th being worst improvement.
- Sainz No change
Monaco - Sainz no change
- Norris P12, would been P11

By Renault's calculations they have the same power as Mercedes in quali & race. They weren't using it in China, Baku and I'm not sure about Spain. They had the new PU but they may have still been restricting the power.

[_cerber1]

Yes, in Spain there was a power limit.

[trinidefender]

McLaren's problems this season are not related to the power of PU.

No, but however having the Merc PU would be making a difference.

In fact with how tight the midfield is, I wouldn't doubt that the extra qualy pace especially may have gained us a few qualifying positions over the past races this season and potentially more points.

Not to mention the reliability issues that we've had and future grid position penalties that we will have to take at some point.

As an example, lets assume a 0.1 second benefit average to qualifying time across all tracks. That's probably on the conservative side with the real advantage being greater but all the same I'll use that number.

Australia - no change in qualifying position
Bahrain - Sainz P7, would have qualified P5
- Norris P10, would have been P8
China - no change
Azerbaijan - no change
Spain - Norris P11, would have made Q3 and potentially made 3 positions with 10th being worst improvement.
- Sainz No change
Monaco - Sainz no change
- Norris P12, would been P11

By Renault's calculations they have the same power as Mercedes in quali & race. They weren't using it in China, Baku and I'm not sure about Spain. They had the new PU but they may have still been restricting the power.

Find an actual quote that says that from anyone in Renault in an article, not regurgitated garbage from a journalist who is making inferences from Renault. The closest that I've heard is that they are close to or have reached parity which is generally considered with 3%.

Also wasn't the claim that they are almost equal in the race but that both Mercedes and Ferrari still have a qualifying mode advantage?

[Ground Effect]

No, but however having the Merc PU would be making a difference.

In fact with how tight the midfield is, I wouldn't doubt that the extra qualy pace especially may have gained us a few qualifying positions over the past races this season and potentially more points.

Not to mention the reliability issues that we've had and future grid position penalties that we will have to take at some point.

As an example, lets assume a 0.1 second benefit average to qualifying time across all tracks. That's probably on the conservative side with the real advantage being greater but all the same I'll use that number.

Australia - no change in qualifying position
Bahrain - Sainz P7, would have qualified P5
- Norris P10, would have been P8
China - no change
Azerbaijan - no change
Spain - Norris P11, would have made Q3 and potentially made 3 positions with 10th being worst improvement.
- Sainz No change
Monaco - Sainz no change
- Norris P12, would been P11

By Renault's calculations they have the same power as Mercedes in quali & race. They weren't using it in China, Baku and I'm not sure about Spain. They had the new PU but they may have still been restricting the power.

Find an actual quote that says that from anyone in Renault in an article, not regurgitated garbage from a journalist who is making inferences from Renault. The closest that I've heard is that they are close to or have reached parity which is generally considered with 3%.

Also wasn't the claim that they are almost equal in the race but that both Mercedes and Ferrari still have a qualifying mode advantage?

"From our analysis we see we are now the same level as Ferrari and Mercedes in race, and behind Ferrari in qualifying, when we will be back to that level which is the case from this weekend on." Cyril

Full article

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... e/4394807/

[trinidefender]

By Renault's calculations they have the same power as Mercedes in quali & race. They weren't using it in China, Baku and I'm not sure about Spain. They had the new PU but they may have still been restricting the power.

Find an actual quote that says that from anyone in Renault in an article, not regurgitated garbage from a journalist who is making inferences from Renault. The closest that I've heard is that they are close to or have reached parity which is generally considered with 3%.

Also wasn't the claim that they are almost equal in the race but that both Mercedes and Ferrari still have a qualifying mode advantage?

"From our analysis we see we are now the same level as Ferrari and Mercedes in race, and behind Ferrari in qualifying, when we will be back to that level which is the case from this weekend on." Cyril

Full article

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... e/4394807/

Fair enough, I retract my statement. However they were running detuned for the past races therefore my assessment still holds merit.

My assessment on reliability also still holds merit because of grid penalties which will certainly come.

Mercedes will probably release an updated PU and will probably be in the lead power wise in a few races.

It still feels a bit fishy to me. 50 kW from season to season seems ridiculously high. F1 teams many time outright lie to some political end. I have to wonder if Renault is doing this now to make their PU seem stronger than it is. McLaren have built a slippery car this season so some of the calculations may be biased.

Sure I might be wrong but my gut feeling just seems to say that there are too many things that don't seem to add up. Make of it what you will.

[fellowhoodlums]

Everyone runs de-tuned. It’s about how much you reduce each part to stay reliable.

[Ground Effect]

Find an actual quote that says that from anyone in Renault in an article, not regurgitated garbage from a journalist who is making inferences from Renault. The closest that I've heard is that they are close to or have reached parity which is generally considered with 3%.

Also wasn't the claim that they are almost equal in the race but that both Mercedes and Ferrari still have a qualifying mode advantage?

"From our analysis we see we are now the same level as Ferrari and Mercedes in race, and behind Ferrari in qualifying, when we will be back to that level which is the case from this weekend on." Cyril

Full article

https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/rena ... e/4394807/

Fair enough, I retract my statement. However they were running detuned for the past races therefore my assessment still holds merit.

My assessment on reliability also still holds merit because of grid penalties which will certainly come.

Mercedes will probably release an updated PU and will probably be in the lead power wise in a few races.

It still feels a bit fishy to me. 50 kW from season to season seems ridiculously high. F1 teams many time outright lie to some political end. I have to wonder if Renault is doing this now to make their PU seem stronger than it is. McLaren have built a slippery car this season so some of the calculations may be biased.

Sure I might be wrong but my gut feeling just seems to say that there are too many things that don't seem to add up. Make of it what you will.

You wanted a statement from a Renault personnel, you got it. Now you claim that F1 teams many time lie to some political end? What was the point in asking for proof if your gut feeling overrules these direct statements. The GPS data is there, as he said, so it can be verified. He also gave the deficit they had last year, so there was a lot of performance to find.

"We're missing about 15 to 20 kilowatts of engine power [20-27bhp] in the race, which under certain conditions could be made up for by the Red Bull chassis. But in qualifying we estimate our deficit at 40 kilowatts [53bhp], and that's significant," Abiteboul told Auto Motor und Sport.

This was last year in a separate article.

[_cerber1]

Lando Norris: "I am not really racing Max on track here [in F1], so maybe later on this season or next year we can have some more battles, but I already learned about him when I raced Max and we had some fun races together".

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... s/4398424/

In McLaren still hope.

[M840TR]

Lando Norris: "I am not really racing Max on track here [in F1], so maybe later on this season or next year we can have some more battles, but I already learned about him when I raced Max and we had some fun races together".

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... s/4398424/

In McLaren still hope.

You're reading too much into it.

[_cerber1]

Lando Norris: "I am not really racing Max on track here [in F1], so maybe later on this season or next year we can have some more battles, but I already learned about him when I raced Max and we had some fun races together".

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... s/4398424/

In McLaren still hope.

You're reading too much into it.

This is bad?

[FittingMechanics]

Lando Norris: "I am not really racing Max on track here [in F1], so maybe later on this season or next year we can have some more battles, but I already learned about him when I raced Max and we had some fun races together".

https://us.motorsport.com/f1/news/norri ... s/4398424/

In McLaren still hope.

"The pair are good friends and have teamed up on occasion to take part in online simracing events – including an assault on a Bathurst 12 Hours event over the winter."

Which ended 5 minutes into 12 hours?