Formula One has seen yet another controversial result of a Grand Prix as Lewis Hamiton inherited the Canadian GP race win after a controversial 5s penalty for leader Sebastian Vettel. An infuriated Vettel was classified second, ahead of Leclerc in third.
The stewards saidBrake Horse Power wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:07I don't like the penalty. If you talk about pure safety.. If a steward thinks this was unsafe you can also blame Hamilton as he was in full control of his car. He could have braked a second earlier bit he didn't. And it makes sense he didn't because he is a racing driver. But he could have avoided himself being in this 'dangerous' situation.
so they don't think Lewis should have had to brake. There's a whole thing about rejoining the track, that makes it different from if they hadn't left the trackThe stewards reviewed video evidence and determined that Car 5, left the track at turn 3, rejoined the track at turn 4 in an unsafe manner and forced car 44 off track. Car 44 had to take evasive action to avoid a collision.
Rejoining the track is in my opinion a conscious decision, so if it was a decision to take a risk the penalty would be fair. Now there wasn't much to decide for Vettel was there, and making a racing mistake by missing an corner is not really illegal, the so called rejoining was just an outcome of that mistake which he wasn't able to correct to a much safer state than this.izzy wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:24The stewards saidBrake Horse Power wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:07I don't like the penalty. If you talk about pure safety.. If a steward thinks this was unsafe you can also blame Hamilton as he was in full control of his car. He could have braked a second earlier bit he didn't. And it makes sense he didn't because he is a racing driver. But he could have avoided himself being in this 'dangerous' situation.so they don't think Lewis should have had to brake. There's a whole thing about rejoining the track, that makes it different from if they hadn't left the trackThe stewards reviewed video evidence and determined that Car 5, left the track at turn 3, rejoined the track at turn 4 in an unsafe manner and forced car 44 off track. Car 44 had to take evasive action to avoid a collision.
Yep it's as simple as that for me.henry wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:12It seems to me that we can judge this incident on two criteria. We expect drivers too win either because they are faster or because they use superior race craft in defending or overtaking.
In this incident Vettel wasn’t faster through the corner, he was slow enough that Hamilton would have passed him if there was room. In his words he wasn’t in full control when he rejoined the track, so he wasn’t demonstrating skilful race craft. So in my opinion he deserved to lose the place.
Driver of the day cutting across. Simple as that.TAG wrote:It's a tough loss but take solace man, at least Vettel won Driver of the Race honors.Juzh wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 22:51I downloaded and listen to whole vettel's radio just now and this is what he said:
"It's his call if he decides to go that way, if he'd gone the inside he'd have gone past me"
So yeah, just the usual clueless people talking BS when they don't check the facts beforehand.
Emanuele Pirro (born 12 January 1962, in Rome, Italy) Known as the 'destroyer of Formula 1' after his dreadful leading of the Steward's decision whilst penalising Sebastian Vettel at the 2019 Canadian F1 Grand Prix, costing him of victory and the fans a lot of love for the sport.
All racing results of Emanuele have since been revoked, and all future opinions and decisions are invalid.
This is a beautiful post. I certainly am not a decent enough human being to have so eloquently and free of malice, pushing people's button's and rubbing it in their face. The moderators should give you some kind of award here. Seriously, it's a beautiful post that will make me strive to be more like this in the future.GrizzleBoy wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:34
Yep it's as simple as that for me.
If we are really wanting to go all in on the morality of this situation then ask yourself this question.
Who deserved the win more?
The guy who showed excellent pace all race and applied pressure to force his rival into an error and create an overtaking opportunity?
Or the guy who did well to stay ahead under pressure, but buckled in the end, made a mistake and rightfully should have lost his place but only retained it by controversially putting his car sideways in front of incoming traffic and forcing another car to have to stamp on the brakes in an Acceleration zone to avoid an incident?
If any one of us are honest with ourselves here, the person who actually deserved this win is not the guy who made a mistake and blocked a competitor from taking a place they should have gained due to that mistake.
If we're honest the person and team who did more to win this race was not Ferrari or Vettel.
Whether Seb deserved a penalty is one thing, but did he do all he or ferrari do all they needed to do to win this race on pure merit?
Absolutely not.
He cracked, lost his place and only regained it by clumsily and dangerously being almost sideways in front of incoming traffic.
Did he do what he needed to do to win?
No.
That's why he didn't win, and that's why he didn't automatically deserve to win.
Pirro is an ex-racer who had more success than many of the ex-racer pundits. You don't win Le Mans several times by being a rubbish driver, that's for sure.
I looked to the onboard with teamradio,Brake Horse Power wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:33Rejoining the track is in my opinion a conscious decision, so if it was a decision to take a risk the penalty would be fair. Now there wasn't much to decide for Vettel was there, and making a racing mistake by missing an corner is not really illegal, the so called rejoining was just an outcome of that mistake which he wasn't able to correct to a much safer state than this.izzy wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:24The stewards saidBrake Horse Power wrote: ↑09 Jun 2019, 23:07I don't like the penalty. If you talk about pure safety.. If a steward thinks this was unsafe you can also blame Hamilton as he was in full control of his car. He could have braked a second earlier bit he didn't. And it makes sense he didn't because he is a racing driver. But he could have avoided himself being in this 'dangerous' situation.so they don't think Lewis should have had to brake. There's a whole thing about rejoining the track, that makes it different from if they hadn't left the trackThe stewards reviewed video evidence and determined that Car 5, left the track at turn 3, rejoined the track at turn 4 in an unsafe manner and forced car 44 off track. Car 44 had to take evasive action to avoid a collision.
Yes because the one who deserves most always needs to win 