McLaren MCL34

[Xero]

Based on the recent form, I expect Renault to lead the midfield battle, followed closely by McLaren. At Silverstone it was tight between them and the track suited McLaren better with more high speed corners.

Hockenheim has more slow speed stuff so I give small advantage to Renault R.S.19 which worked well at Silverstone after ditching some of their French GP updates which weren't working as expected.

Hockenheim is more akin to Austria than Silverstone though, which McLaren went very well at. McLaren may be struggling with low speed lateral grip, but it's traction and braking performance is excellent, and that's going to be key around there.

[kfrantzios]

I can't see how a team (Renault) that is forced to ditch updates can perform better than a team that keeps improving (Mclaren)

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[M840TR]

I can't see how a team (Renault) that is forced to ditch updates can perform better than a team that keeps improving (Mclaren)

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Also churning out upgrades ahead of schedule.

[diffuser]

I can't see how a team (Renault) that is forced to ditch updates can perform better than a team that keeps improving (Mclaren)

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When you have 25% bigger budget, you can dump 10% of your upgrades and still improve faster than the other team.

Not saying that is happening, just the how.

[diffuser]

Based on the recent form, I expect Renault to lead the midfield battle, followed closely by McLaren. At Silverstone it was tight between them and the track suited McLaren better with more high speed corners.

Hockenheim has more slow speed stuff so I give small advantage to Renault R.S.19 which worked well at Silverstone after ditching some of their French GP updates which weren't working as expected.

Hockenheim is more akin to Austria than Silverstone though, which McLaren went very well at. McLaren may be struggling with low speed lateral grip, but it's traction and braking performance is excellent, and that's going to be key around there.

More slow speed corners than both...

[Dipesh1995]

[Big Tea]

I can't see how a team (Renault) that is forced to ditch updates can perform better than a team that keeps improving (Mclaren)

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When you have 25% bigger budget, you can dump 10% of your upgrades and still improve faster than the other team.

Not saying that is happening, just the how.

It may sound Blase' but dumping upgrades that do not work is in its self a plus point. Struggling to come to terms and adding up counter the upgrades is an easy route if not carefully monitored.

[Xero]

Based on the recent form, I expect Renault to lead the midfield battle, followed closely by McLaren. At Silverstone it was tight between them and the track suited McLaren better with more high speed corners.

Hockenheim has more slow speed stuff so I give small advantage to Renault R.S.19 which worked well at Silverstone after ditching some of their French GP updates which weren't working as expected.

Hockenheim is more akin to Austria than Silverstone though, which McLaren went very well at. McLaren may be struggling with low speed lateral grip, but it's traction and braking performance is excellent, and that's going to be key around there.

More slow speed corners than both...

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Most of the slow corners are traction based, which is fine for McLaren. They'd tend to struggle in the arena section with lateral scrubbing, but some of the corners are cambered, so it might not hurt them as much. S1 and S2 is very much like Austria.

[kfrantzios]

I can't see how a team (Renault) that is forced to ditch updates can perform better than a team that keeps improving (Mclaren)

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When you have 25% bigger budget, you can dump 10% of your upgrades and still improve faster than the other team.

Not saying that is happening, just the how.

It may sound Blase' but dumping upgrades that do not work is in its self a plus point. Struggling to come to terms and adding up counter the upgrades is an easy route if not carefully monitored.

Upgrades that don't work mean poor corellation. I can't see a benefit in that.

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[Big Tea]

When you have 25% bigger budget, you can dump 10% of your upgrades and still improve faster than the other team.

Not saying that is happening, just the how.

It may sound Blase' but dumping upgrades that do not work is in its self a plus point. Struggling to come to terms and adding up counter the upgrades is an easy route if not carefully monitored.

Upgrades that don't work mean poor corellation. I can't see a benefit in that.

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Mclaren last year?

Edit, possibly williams

[diffuser]

It may sound Blase' but dumping upgrades that do not work is in its self a plus point. Struggling to come to terms and adding up counter the upgrades is an easy route if not carefully monitored.

Upgrades that don't work mean poor corellation. I can't see a benefit in that.

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Mclaren last year?

Edit, possibly williams

I didn't say it was a benefit. I SAID "if you have a 25% bigger budget you could still dump 10% of the upgrades and still have 15% more that work!

[kfrantzios]

Upgrades that don't work mean poor corellation. I can't see a benefit in that.

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Mclaren last year?

Edit, possibly williams

I didn't say it was a benefit. I SAID "if you have a 25% bigger budget you could still dump 10% of the upgrades and still have 15% more that work!

McLaren last year and this year's Williams suffered from fundamental issues. I think this years Renault does not.

Budget is not equal to upgrades. We don't know the budget allocated for aero development plus i think it's too late in the season to start developing something groundbreaking. If McLaren's aero correlation is better than Renault's, then the upgrades that are pipelined, will work as expected. Can we say that for Renault?

[diffuser]

Mclaren last year?

Edit, possibly williams

I didn't say it was a benefit. I SAID "if you have a 25% bigger budget you could still dump 10% of the upgrades and still have 15% more that work!

McLaren last year and this year's Williams suffered from fundamental issues. I think this years Renault does not.

Budget is not equal to upgrades. We don't know the budget allocated for aero development plus i think it's too late in the season to start developing something groundbreaking. If McLaren's aero correlation is better than Renault's, then the upgrades that are pipelined, will work as expected. Can we say that for Renault?

Listen, someone asked how could Renault keep up with McLaren with the upgrade failures they've had. I said simple, they have a bigger budget they have more upgrades.

The truth is, they been right up our a$$es.

That's all I'm saying. I'm not making any predictions.

[PhillipM]

The trouble is, most of the aero and development time around now will be shifting to next years car. So the upgrades you have for the rest of the season are ones you already signed off for production or just refinement work, and your track-specific packages.

If you're having upgrade issues because of correlation you can't just assume some will work and bin off the ones that don't and rely on making more of them - because if you haven't found your issue by now all the rest of your upgrades are potentially compromised - and you can't afford to put huge simulation time into them without compromising next years cars.
It's the same reason Mclaren just basically stopped bringing updates to their car last year while they spent a lot of time testing to understand exactly what the issue was and then put the fix into this years car.

[M840TR]

The trouble is, most of the aero and development time around now will be shifting to next years car. So the upgrades you have for the rest of the season are ones you already signed off for production or just refinement work, and your track-specific packages.

If you're having upgrade issues because of correlation you can't just assume some will work and bin off the ones that don't and rely on making more of them - because if you haven't found your issue by now all the rest of your upgrades are potentially compromised - and you can't afford to put huge simulation time into them without compromising next years cars.
It's the same reason Mclaren just basically stopped bringing updates to their car last year while they spent a lot of time testing to understand exactly what the issue was and then put the fix into this years car.

Also, correlation issues compromise next year's car too. Same issue Ferrari has now.