As a general rule, they do. On this occasion, I can't see it being total bulls***.
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As a general rule, they do. On this occasion, I can't see it being total bulls***.
Milton Keynes is not exclusive to F1. It is also for the WTCR program. And I think some Mugen department also uses it.
This is a meme at this point. He's like the anti-Voldemort. People believe the utterance of his name will conjure race winning engines just like magic! PUs of the current complexity are at minimum a very large team effort, multiplied by natural-selection-via-dyno
Interpretation fromThe collaboration between Red Bull and Honda began in 2017 at the McDonald's on the way to the Silverstone circuit, while the Japanese still supplied engines to McLaren.
"Yamamoto, do you know the McDonald's on the way to the Silverstone circuit?", with this question from Helmut Marko directed the general director of Honda, Masashi Yamamoto, negotiations between Red Bull and the Japanese began two years ago.
Cassually dressed Yamamoto and Marko met at the fast-food restaurant on an early morning in 2017, at 8:00 CEST, to start their future together, according to Japanese journalist Masahiro Owari in Sports Graphic Number magazine.
Two months later the break between McLaren and Honda was announced. The Woking had signed a three year contract starting in 2015, with the option for another two more seasons.
Although already publicly communicated that McLaren would leave Honda, the fact was, (that behind the scenes) the British sought to renew with them for three more years instead of two, because they considered 2017 a season lost due to the poor performance, in which the Japanese had not fulfilled with their obligations, and wanted one additional season (of free engines en 90 million Euro) as compensation.
The aforementioned magazine says that Honda, in addition to providing financial assistance to the team, paid 50% of the driver's salary. In total there is talk of almost 90 million euros annually provided by the Japanese to McLaren. Resulting in Woking's request to renew the contract three years more instead of two implied that Mclaren expected Honda would cover the losses of the team suffered in 2017 due to lack of results.
When Sauber broke the pre-agreement with Honda to use their engines in 2018, the Japanese were left again with only one client. However, staying with McLaren was not the only option of the Japanese when Frédéric Vasseur rejected them. Yamamoto was already looking for a future outside of Woking and that is why he met with Marko in the McDonald's.
"Yes, Mclaren helped us with our appearance in the sport and it is true that the engine we gave them lacked competitiveness. Anyway, to win in Formula 1, you need performance of both the power unit and the chassis," says Yamamoto.
"After thoughtfull deliberation about the technical abilities of those to manufacture a competitive car and have a management that could attract talent to create a car like that, Red Bull was our only option to continue," he explains.
Two years later Honda grabbed its first victory since its return to Formula 1.
How cool! Naoki deserves it.ispano6 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 16:43Naoki Yamamoto will test the STR this year in free practice, most likely at Suzuka!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14495 ... -in-an-fp1
He might be too old for western standards but I feel in Japan he might be at the prime age of mental acuity and physical strength as well. Maybe his reflexes aren't as quick as a 21 year old but this will be a good measure for Honda to see where their driver level is at. It is important for Honda to get their drivers experience in Formula1 machinery if even to pass on knowledge and experience gained. It may lead to more convergence of Super Formula to Formula1 technology perhaps.HPD wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 17:06How cool! Naoki deserves it.ispano6 wrote: ↑24 Jul 2019, 16:43Naoki Yamamoto will test the STR this year in free practice, most likely at Suzuka!
https://www.autosport.com/f1/news/14495 ... -in-an-fp1
Unfortunately, Masashi Yamamoto already confirmed that Naoki is too old for F1.
But anyway, even if only FP1 is great news for all of Japan
Actually their engine plant is an old Ford plant. Some of the staff are actually Ford employees who have to put on AM branded clothes when they work in that part of the factory.GhostF1 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 08:08Aston do have an engine factory. Only the V8 in the Vantage is from AMG. They produce their own 5.2 Twin Turbo V12 that is in the DB11 and DBS Superleggera. They had direct involvement with Cosworth for the NA V12 to be used in the Valkyrie and are currently developing their own twin turbo hybrid V6 for use in their upcoming models (Valhalla/Vanquish Vision etc). I realise these are not F1 engines and are far less complex, however they with input from Cosworth (as rumoured) could bring something forward. I can't imagine why their CEO would say publicly they would be ready if they are very much incapable.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 19:58Aston Martin must be joking if they, a small sportscar builder who don’t even design their own road car engines (much simpler tech) can design the hyper complicated F1 engines. Why even throw this out their. It is like me saying NASA has more pilots and money, but if they need a specialized austronaut to go to the moon I am ready to jump in.GhostF1 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 09:10Reposting an article that was deleted due to as mentioned reasons above.
https://www.planetf1.com/news/aston-mar ... a-quit-f1/
Important stuff.
- Aston Martin very happy with Honda and their involvement so far, want them to stay past 2021.
- Aston are ready to step up involvement and bring their own engine to RBR if Honda decides to leave.
- Honda money and manpower exceeds what Aston could bring to the table though.
Credit to anyone who may of beaten me to posting a similar article in any of the Honda realms here..
The idea of using Honda's current RA619H or whatever it is at the end of 2020 (RA620H?) as the base and buying the IP and continuing to develop it may not be such a crazy idea. Honda would probably sell all their facilities to Aston Martin in Milton Keynes. It's not impossible to think, but keeping Honda involved would be the smartest option, Aston know that.
That's a bit of an archaic summary is it not? Might of been an old Ford plant, but hasn't it been massively upgraded recently, they made a decent noise about the scale? I don't think there is much leftover from the old Ford owned era regarding parts used. The new 5.2 had no outside consultancies as far as I'm aware and the fact they are making a high end mild hybrid engine for their upcoming models due within the next 2 years would suggest the opposite, which they are also claiming is a complete in house design. They had substantial years of growth after leaving Ford and are active and relatively successful in quite a few sport car series as well, they've done as well as could be hoped for their size.Mudflap wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 00:44Actually their engine plant is an old Ford plant. Some of the staff are actually Ford employees who have to put on AM branded clothes when they work in that part of the factory.GhostF1 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 08:08Aston do have an engine factory. Only the V8 in the Vantage is from AMG. They produce their own 5.2 Twin Turbo V12 that is in the DB11 and DBS Superleggera. They had direct involvement with Cosworth for the NA V12 to be used in the Valkyrie and are currently developing their own twin turbo hybrid V6 for use in their upcoming models (Valhalla/Vanquish Vision etc). I realise these are not F1 engines and are far less complex, however they with input from Cosworth (as rumoured) could bring something forward. I can't imagine why their CEO would say publicly they would be ready if they are very much incapable.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 19:58
Aston Martin must be joking if they, a small sportscar builder who don’t even design their own road car engines (much simpler tech) can design the hyper complicated F1 engines. Why even throw this out their. It is like me saying NASA has more pilots and money, but if they need a specialized austronaut to go to the moon I am ready to jump in.
The idea of using Honda's current RA619H or whatever it is at the end of 2020 (RA620H?) as the base and buying the IP and continuing to develop it may not be such a crazy idea. Honda would probably sell all their facilities to Aston Martin in Milton Keynes. It's not impossible to think, but keeping Honda involved would be the smartest option, Aston know that.
I would say AM suggesting they could 'step in' is insulting to Honda who are one of the very very few companies that have the knowledge and resources to make a decent F1 engine.
It surely looks like they struggled for a few years but I have no doubt that any of the current car makers would have looked like complete amateurs attempting to just jump in and deliver a F1 PU.
AM's 'interest' in coming in as an engine manufacturer in 2021 was a complete farce. Now they are trying to eek out some more PR by suggesting they could replace Honda.. what a joke..
They can't design their own engine (I don't just mean the Cosworth hypercar one, but their road car core components are all done by external consultancies) and they don't exactly have a proper engine plant either.
Ah yes and their shares literally just plunged 25%..
Agreed. Why would Honda pay 90m Euro to McLaren without taking the naming rights sponsorship and having Honda livery all over the car? It is illogical. That price would easily cover the naming rights sponsorship of McLaren.
And just remember the Aston Martin AMR-One, which wasn't capable of doing more than a handful of laps in LeMans.Mudflap wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 00:44Actually their engine plant is an old Ford plant. Some of the staff are actually Ford employees who have to put on AM branded clothes when they work in that part of the factory.GhostF1 wrote: ↑23 Jul 2019, 08:08Aston do have an engine factory. Only the V8 in the Vantage is from AMG. They produce their own 5.2 Twin Turbo V12 that is in the DB11 and DBS Superleggera. They had direct involvement with Cosworth for the NA V12 to be used in the Valkyrie and are currently developing their own twin turbo hybrid V6 for use in their upcoming models (Valhalla/Vanquish Vision etc). I realise these are not F1 engines and are far less complex, however they with input from Cosworth (as rumoured) could bring something forward. I can't imagine why their CEO would say publicly they would be ready if they are very much incapable.Pyrone89 wrote: ↑22 Jul 2019, 19:58
Aston Martin must be joking if they, a small sportscar builder who don’t even design their own road car engines (much simpler tech) can design the hyper complicated F1 engines. Why even throw this out their. It is like me saying NASA has more pilots and money, but if they need a specialized austronaut to go to the moon I am ready to jump in.
The idea of using Honda's current RA619H or whatever it is at the end of 2020 (RA620H?) as the base and buying the IP and continuing to develop it may not be such a crazy idea. Honda would probably sell all their facilities to Aston Martin in Milton Keynes. It's not impossible to think, but keeping Honda involved would be the smartest option, Aston know that.
I would say AM suggesting they could 'step in' is insulting to Honda who are one of the very very few companies that have the knowledge and resources to make a decent F1 engine.
It surely looks like they struggled for a few years but I have no doubt that any of the current car makers would have looked like complete amateurs attempting to just jump in and deliver a F1 PU.
AM's 'interest' in coming in as an engine manufacturer in 2021 was a complete farce. Now they are trying to eek out some more PR by suggesting they could replace Honda.. what a joke..
They can't design their own engine (I don't just mean the Cosworth hypercar one, but their road car core components are all done by external consultancies) and they don't exactly have a proper engine plant either.
Ah yes and their shares literally just plunged 25%..
Absolutely makes sense. Gives an Intriguing insight in the happenings in 2017.
Considering the works relation between Honda, Red Bull and Aston Martin the way I read it....Mudflap wrote: ↑25 Jul 2019, 00:44
Actually their engine plant is an old Ford plant. Some of the staff are actually Ford employees who have to put on AM branded clothes when they work in that part of the factory.
I would say AM suggesting they could 'step in' is insulting to Honda who are one of the very very few companies that have the knowledge and resources to make a decent F1 engine.
It surely looks like they struggled for a few years but I have no doubt that any of the current car makers would have looked like complete amateurs attempting to just jump in and deliver a F1 PU.
AM's 'interest' in coming in as an engine manufacturer in 2021 was a complete farce. Now they are trying to eek out some more PR by suggesting they could replace Honda.. what a joke..
They can't design their own engine (I don't just mean the Cosworth hypercar one, but their road car core components are all done by external consultancies) and they don't exactly have a proper engine plant either.
Ah yes and their shares literally just plunged 25%..