2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

[SmallSoldier]

Just compare the McLaren Halo to the Merc Halo, just because it's a very visible part. You can see how much more money Merc is spending by how much that one part is more refined/integrated into the car.

Not disagreeing that the Top 3 have more refined cars and in a big part is due to their budgets, but we can’t forget also that Mclaren’s budget is bigger than the likes of Haas, Racing Point, Alfa and Toro Rosso, who do a great job with an smaller budget... For the resources that McLaren has, they are underperforming... This is something that is acknowledged by the team.

This is not a dig on the team though, but their current performance isn’t entirely related to their budget


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True, although we shouldn't forget where they came from.

Haven't we gained some tenths compared to the start of the season compared to the first 3? That to me is still success. You don't need that much huge amount of money to do a good job and Mclaren has the money and the Paragon to support a car that can reach the first 3. If you got a good team behind it

The budget of Mclaren is atleast 100mil lower (maybe even closer to 200 if i remember correctly) of the top 3 teams, so beating them would be a crown achievement and a miracle. I stand by my words, they need to be 4th two years in a row to show stability, then get a wealthy title sponsor and start closing in for the kill.

According to Brown they are getting outspend 5:3.

I believe that we are all very happy with how the season is developing so far... The team is performing better than in the previous 4 seasons and is definitely on the up (from a performance and morale stand point)... But, we also need to acknowledge that they aren’t the clear 4th yet and that the gap to the top 3 hasn’t been reduced yet (beyond what was gained at the beginning of the season)... Once both cars comfortably qualify a couple tenths in front of the midfield, we will be able to celebrate such milestone.

We are leading the midfield, but we aren’t that clear 4th yet.


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[Darth-Piekus]

Personally I remember the first 3 being more than 1.5 seconds in front at the start of the season and that gap was reduced to 1.2 until now. Brawn GP, Renault, Lotus, Williams, Benneton and many other teams in the past have proven that you don't need to have a huge budget to win as long as you can use loopholes and have a clever design.

[SmallSoldier]

Just compare the McLaren Halo to the Merc Halo, just because it's a very visible part. You can see how much more money Merc is spending by how much that one part is more refined/integrated into the car.

Not disagreeing that the Top 3 have more refined cars and in a big part is due to their budgets, but we can’t forget also that Mclaren’s budget is bigger than the likes of Haas, Racing Point, Alfa and Toro Rosso, who do a great job with an smaller budget... For the resources that McLaren has, they are underperforming... This is something that is acknowledged by the team.

This is not a dig on the team though, but their current performance isn’t entirely related to their budget


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They also don't make the suspensions, packaging and transmission...

They still pay for those... I’m not sure about Racing Point though, if I’m not wrong most of their parts (probably except for the Gear Box is developed by them)... But it doesn’t negate the point that even with a larger budget, Mclaren is not clearly ahead of them.

Today, the problem with the team isn’t from a Budget perspective... They are working on the issues and will continue to move forward.


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[bauc]

Point to make, its halfway trough 2019 and Mclaren now has more constructor points than at the end of 2018.

After Germany 2019 - 70points
End of 2018 season - 62points

- Target for 2nd half of the season. Lets have more points this year than 2017 & 2018 combined (92) so 22 points more to reach this goal

[SmallSoldier]

Point to make, its halfway trough 2019 and Mclaren now has more constructor points than at the end of 2018.

After Germany 2019 - 70points
End of 2018 season - 62points

- Target for 2nd half of the season. Lets have more points this year than 2017 & 2018 combined (92) so 22 points more to reach this goal

That would be a great milestone for sure and on track to make it happen... Still a lot of racing left this season and with some venues in which the potential for good points is in the car (Spa, Monza)

If the team finds a way to resolve their slow corner problems, they might be able to run less downforce/drag and regain the top speed advantage they had at the beginning of the season... That would be a very important jump for them.

They are only 6 points away from matching their best season in since 2015 (76 points in 2016)... They can do it!


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[bauc]

Point to make, its halfway trough 2019 and Mclaren now has more constructor points than at the end of 2018.

After Germany 2019 - 70points
End of 2018 season - 62points

- Target for 2nd half of the season. Lets have more points this year than 2017 & 2018 combined (92) so 22 points more to reach this goal

That would be a great milestone for sure and on track to make it happen... Still a lot of racing left this season and with some venues in which the potential for good points is in the car (Spa, Monza)

If the team finds a way to resolve their slow corner problems, they might be able to run less downforce/drag and regain the top speed advantage they had at the beginning of the season... That would be a very important jump for them.

They are only 6 points away from matching their best season in since 2015 (76 points in 2016)... They can do it!


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Yes I agree, in the 2nd half of the season we can expect more or less the same from the team and I believe that around September they will bring the last updates for this season which should help them in the fight for 4th

[M840TR]

Not disagreeing that the Top 3 have more refined cars and in a big part is due to their budgets, but we can’t forget also that Mclaren’s budget is bigger than the likes of Haas, Racing Point, Alfa and Toro Rosso, who do a great job with an smaller budget... For the resources that McLaren has, they are underperforming... This is something that is acknowledged by the team.

This is not a dig on the team though, but their current performance isn’t entirely related to their budget


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They also don't make the suspensions, packaging and transmission...

They still pay for those... I’m not sure about Racing Point though, if I’m not wrong most of their parts (probably except for the Gear Box is developed by them)... But it doesn’t negate the point that even with a larger budget, Mclaren is not clearly ahead of them.

Today, the problem with the team isn’t from a Budget perspective... They are working on the issues and will continue to move forward.


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Doesn't cost nearly as much.

[M840TR]

Point to make, its halfway trough 2019 and Mclaren now has more constructor points than at the end of 2018.

After Germany 2019 - 70points
End of 2018 season - 62points

- Target for 2nd half of the season. Lets have more points this year than 2017 & 2018 combined (92) so 22 points more to reach this goal

That would be a great milestone for sure and on track to make it happen... Still a lot of racing left this season and with some venues in which the potential for good points is in the car (Spa, Monza)

If the team finds a way to resolve their slow corner problems, they might be able to run less downforce/drag and regain the top speed advantage they had at the beginning of the season... That would be a very important jump for them.

They are only 6 points away from matching their best season in since 2015 (76 points in 2016)... They can do it!


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Yes I agree, in the 2nd half of the season we can expect more or less the same from the team and I believe that around September they will bring the last updates for this season which should help them in the fight for 4th

I'm excited for the Hungary upgrades too. Only 3-4 days before they're revealed!

[diffuser]

It’s not really a “money” problem... It’s just a development/concept issue... They are working on it, they are getting better with it... But they can and should make progress with the budget they have.


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Just compare the McLaren Halo to the Merc Halo, just because it's a very visible part. You can see how much more money Merc is spending by how much that one part is more refined/integrated into the car.

Um...are you referring to the cooling vents on the Halo? Because they aren't there for the same reason the sidepod vents aren't, because it disturbs the airflow to the diffuser. After last year's struggle they probably wanted to play it safe in terms of airflow streamline and opted to open the engine cover more instead. This isn't a budget but a philosophy issue; Williams even had them last year.

The McLaren Halo is just vanilla round tube, Merc's comes to a point. Also the way the halo attaches to the car... McLaren's just looks bolted on while Merc looks like someone spent alot of time integrating it.

[Jackles-UK]

Personally I remember the first 3 being more than 1.5 seconds in front at the start of the season and that gap was reduced to 1.2 until now. Brawn GP, Renault, Lotus, Williams, Benneton and many other teams in the past have proven that you don't need to have a huge budget to win as long as you can use loopholes and have a clever design.

Times are different nowadays, the regulations have been tightened to such a degree that even genius engineering teams can no longer find ‘silver bullets’ like they could until fairly recently.

It’s no coincidence that there are only three teams that have won a race in the turbo-hybrid era - the three teams who spend almost double the rest of the field. McLaren (and Renault) could feasibly get to that level with a number of large sponsors coming on board but as has been said in here previously this would require a number of years of decent performance; no company with that sort of money to invest wants to see their name languishing at the back of the field.

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[M840TR]

Personally I remember the first 3 being more than 1.5 seconds in front at the start of the season and that gap was reduced to 1.2 until now. Brawn GP, Renault, Lotus, Williams, Benneton and many other teams in the past have proven that you don't need to have a huge budget to win as long as you can use loopholes and have a clever design.

Times are different nowadays, the regulations have been tightened to such a degree that even genius engineering teams can no longer find ‘silver bullets’ like they could until fairly recently.

It’s no coincidence that there are only three teams that have won a race in the turbo-hybrid era - the three teams who spend almost double the rest of the field. McLaren (and Renault) could feasibly get to that level with a number of large sponsors coming on board but as has been said in here previously this would require a number of years of decent performance; no company with that sort of money to invest wants to see their name languishing at the back of the field.

I still think Coke just might come onboard as lead sponsor next year. The whole deal for 2019 reeks of an intermediate testing phase really, no point for such a huge conglomerate to come in as an insignificant sponsor.

[RonDennis]

Personally I remember the first 3 being more than 1.5 seconds in front at the start of the season and that gap was reduced to 1.2 until now. Brawn GP, Renault, Lotus, Williams, Benneton and many other teams in the past have proven that you don't need to have a huge budget to win as long as you can use loopholes and have a clever design.

Well, the top teams weren't spending as much as they are doing now.

[Ground Effect]

Personally I remember the first 3 being more than 1.5 seconds in front at the start of the season and that gap was reduced to 1.2 until now. Brawn GP, Renault, Lotus, Williams, Benneton and many other teams in the past have proven that you don't need to have a huge budget to win as long as you can use loopholes and have a clever design.

Times are different nowadays, the regulations have been tightened to such a degree that even genius engineering teams can no longer find ‘silver bullets’ like they could until fairly recently.

It’s no coincidence that there are only three teams that have won a race in the turbo-hybrid era - the three teams who spend almost double the rest of the field. McLaren (and Renault) could feasibly get to that level with a number of large sponsors coming on board but as has been said in here previously this would require a number of years of decent performance; no company with that sort of money to invest wants to see their name languishing at the back of the field.

I still think Coke just might come onboard as lead sponsor next year. The whole deal for 2019 reeks of an intermediate testing phase really, no point for such a huge conglomerate to come in as an insignificant sponsor.

I’m more inclined to see that possibility with BAT, they have limited exposure, due to their products. Coca Cola on the other hand have global appeal and lots of other outlets with which they advertise, big global events and so on. BAT could be to McLaren what PMI is to Ferrari. I read somewhere (which I can’t verify how reliable) that PMI’s sponsorship of Ferrari is worth $160M. If this is true, imagine if McLaren starts improving and is able to negotiate something, not as high, but in that kind of class. The team will definitely be “A Better Tomorrow”
That said, Coca Cola could still upgrade to Santander levels, that would be good too.

[bauc]

That would be a great milestone for sure and on track to make it happen... Still a lot of racing left this season and with some venues in which the potential for good points is in the car (Spa, Monza)

If the team finds a way to resolve their slow corner problems, they might be able to run less downforce/drag and regain the top speed advantage they had at the beginning of the season... That would be a very important jump for them.

They are only 6 points away from matching their best season in since 2015 (76 points in 2016)... They can do it!


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Yes I agree, in the 2nd half of the season we can expect more or less the same from the team and I believe that around September they will bring the last updates for this season which should help them in the fight for 4th

I'm excited for the Hungary upgrades too. Only 3-4 days before they're revealed!

I was not aware that updates were scheduled for Hungary race, in that case bring it on!!!