2019 Mercedes AMG Petronas Formula One Team

[Bill_Kar]

The pace on the full wets and inters was definitely strong, unfortunately the real pace on the slicks was hard to evaluate yesterday.

But after qualifying Toto seemed a little unimpressed by the improvements of the upgrades. For the remainder of the season it will be interesting to see if they just need more time fine tuning the package or have to revert back to an earlier spec.

I don't think the title race will be close at any point but the fight for victories will be.

If it's true that Mercedes opted for a wet setup (they had a lot of downforce anyway), it makes sense them* being strong on wets/inters though. But on the other hand it's comforting because they would have a set up disadvantage in the dry as well.

Nonetheless, we can't really know until Hungary. We only have Friday run where Mercedes were really strong, so I'm not too worried.

One way or another, Hamilton & Mercedes will win the WDC & WCC respectively. But next season seems like a real challenge, with Honda mounting the attack on Mercedes already. And hopefully, for Honda, they won't have to take PU penalties. Might I say that Hamilton's quest to match/surpass MSC records is marginal right now?

*or they? I'm super confused right now.

[Big Tea]

Now for the silver lining (NOT white). No matter how may goofs and muff up's took place through the session, it is only One Race.
Had each of the 'incidents' taken place at different events, it would be a real bad deal and lots of lost points. But now they have made them Mercedes is the sort of team that is not likely to do it again for a long time.

Toto has already highlighted the distraction and pointed out they are there to race, not pose no matter how much fun it is, so he will be running a tight ship in future.

If they could choose to have them in all the same race, or one at a time throughout the season, I am sure they would chose what happened, although probably not at home.

[Espresso]

First of all, nothing against Mercedes, guess they all got to distracted dressing up.
Expect Merc to rise to the occasion and claw back to the front.
This was just a weekend to see Murphy's law in action.

Hope I can get some smiles on your faces

[Pyrone89]

Really horrible performance by both drivers. But at least Bottas had his crash under green flag conditions. Hamilton crashed behind the saftey car at a spot of double waved yellows, only just missing the stricken Ferrari while the Ferrari driver was walking away. So very dangerous moment also and in my book worthy of an additional penalty/penalty points. Instead he leaves the race extendimg his championship lead by 2 points after the scuteneerimg penalty for Alfa. Totally undeserved.

You think Hamilton should have had an extra penalty for losing control of his car and going off track in the wet because it happened to be in the same place Leclerc had already crashed?

What a bizarre thing to say....

No because there were double yellow waved flags there, which means be preparee to stop, which he obviously wasnt. Read the rules.

[Bill_Kar]

Really horrible performance by both drivers. But at least Bottas had his crash under green flag conditions. Hamilton crashed behind the saftey car at a spot of double waved yellows, only just missing the stricken Ferrari while the Ferrari driver was walking away. So very dangerous moment also and in my book worthy of an additional penalty/penalty points. Instead he leaves the race extendimg his championship lead by 2 points after the scuteneerimg penalty for Alfa. Totally undeserved.

You think Hamilton should have had an extra penalty for losing control of his car and going off track in the wet because it happened to be in the same place Leclerc had already crashed?

What a bizarre thing to say....

No because there were double yellow waved flags there, which means be preparee to stop, which he obviously wasnt. Read the rules.

Sorry mate, while I respect your opinion, you are completely biased. Not just because of this comment,but in general you seem to turn a blind eye to anything you don't like. With all due respect.

[Manoah2u]

You think Hamilton should have had an extra penalty for losing control of his car and going off track in the wet because it happened to be in the same place Leclerc had already crashed?

What a bizarre thing to say....

No because there were double yellow waved flags there, which means be preparee to stop, which he obviously wasnt. Read the rules.

Sorry mate, while I respect your opinion, you are completely biased. Not just because of this comment,but in general you seem to turn a blind eye to anything you don't like. With all due respect.

Dude's lost credibility a long time ago, he's honestly just trolling around like crazy. better to ignore him. this only feeds him.

[Pyrone89]

So double waved yellows dont apply when it is your favorite driver? If Verstappen or Norris had done it I would have said the exact same, but apparently it is off limits when LH does it. Talk about biased.
Fail to win with arguments? Lets go to personal insults.
Ok good to know.

[Jolle]

Really horrible performance by both drivers. But at least Bottas had his crash under green flag conditions. Hamilton crashed behind the saftey car at a spot of double waved yellows, only just missing the stricken Ferrari while the Ferrari driver was walking away. So very dangerous moment also and in my book worthy of an additional penalty/penalty points. Instead he leaves the race extendimg his championship lead by 2 points after the scuteneerimg penalty for Alfa. Totally undeserved.

You think Hamilton should have had an extra penalty for losing control of his car and going off track in the wet because it happened to be in the same place Leclerc had already crashed?

What a bizarre thing to say....

No because there were double yellow waved flags there, which means be preparee to stop, which he obviously wasnt. Read the rules.

Watch the onboard of Hamilton, you see that seriously reduces speed, maybe even so much that his slicks cooled off too far, with he lack of downforce because of the reduces speed and the still very wet last corner, he just aquaplaned off. Nothing to do with dangerous driving or taking risks.

[Pyrone89]

You think Hamilton should have had an extra penalty for losing control of his car and going off track in the wet because it happened to be in the same place Leclerc had already crashed?

What a bizarre thing to say....

No because there were double yellow waved flags there, which means be preparee to stop, which he obviously wasnt. Read the rules.

Watch the onboard of Hamilton, you see that seriously reduces speed, maybe even so much that his slicks cooled off too far, with he lack of downforce because of the reduces speed and the still very wet last corner, he just aquaplaned off. Nothing to do with dangerous driving or taking risks.

I saw his onboard, he was carrying too much speed in the previous corner and then got on the slippery stuff. It was only then that he started to slow down, while under double yellows that is way too late. Just like it was a joke when Rosberg got away with purpling under single yellows in Hungary. If there had been a crane already (was there shortly later) we could also have had Bianchi 2.0

Here from the outside

[nacho]

Pace was good, but Bottas being third in qualy was a minus. Not being in free air still seems to hurt Mercs a lot.

[Jolle]

No because there were double yellow waved flags there, which means be preparee to stop, which he obviously wasnt. Read the rules.

Watch the onboard of Hamilton, you see that seriously reduces speed, maybe even so much that his slicks cooled off too far, with he lack of downforce because of the reduces speed and the still very wet last corner, he just aquaplaned off. Nothing to do with dangerous driving or taking risks.

I saw his onboard, he was carrying too much speed in the previous corner and then got on the slippery stuff. It was only then that he started to slow down, while under double yellows that is way too late. Just like it was a joke when Rosberg got away with purpling under single yellows in Hungary. If there had been a crane already (was there shortly later) we could also have had Bianchi 2.0

Here from the outside https://youtu.be/T2e8rL0d4z0

You do know there is a slight difference of going off with 200km/h giving it full beans to under double yellow or a purple sector during Q and sliding off track when it's wet? The back stepped out because it locked up on engine braking, putting him outside the dry line. This was by far the slowest accident of the whole weekend, not because he was going too fast but because he was going too slow. Plus he didn't almost lost it in the corners before, that is what warming tires looks like when you have to stay within the delta of the rules.

On the onboard you can hear the engine. No throttle and the back snaps. Cold tires, no downforce, wet patch and there you slide. Great example that you also can be too careful.

[Pyrone89]

Watch the onboard of Hamilton, you see that seriously reduces speed, maybe even so much that his slicks cooled off too far, with he lack of downforce because of the reduces speed and the still very wet last corner, he just aquaplaned off. Nothing to do with dangerous driving or taking risks.

I saw his onboard, he was carrying too much speed in the previous corner and then got on the slippery stuff. It was only then that he started to slow down, while under double yellows that is way too late. Just like it was a joke when Rosberg got away with purpling under single yellows in Hungary. If there had been a crane already (was there shortly later) we could also have had Bianchi 2.0

Here from the outside https://youtu.be/T2e8rL0d4z0

You do know there is a slight difference of going off with 200km/h giving it full beans to under double yellow or a purple sector during Q and sliding off track when it's wet? The back stepped out because it locked up on engine braking, putting him outside the dry line. This was by far the slowest accident of the whole weekend, not because he was going too fast but because he was going too slow. Plus he didn't almost lost it in the corners before, that is what warming tires looks like when you have to stay within the delta of the rules.

On the onboard you can hear the engine. No throttle and the back snaps. Cold tires, no downforce, wet patch and there you slide. Great example that you also can be too careful.

Offcoursethere is a difference, so the damage to the Ferrari would have been minimal had he hit it. However humans (Leclerc walking there, possible marshalls coming out for Lec car) are a different story so that is why it is important to stay well within the limits under double waved yellows. From the onboard and grand stand video it looks like he takes too much speed from the previous corner, resulting in him to get off line slightly where it was wetter and off he went.didnt sound like he accelerated toomuch, but more that he didnt scrub enough speed before going in to the previous corner.

[Jolle]

I saw his onboard, he was carrying too much speed in the previous corner and then got on the slippery stuff. It was only then that he started to slow down, while under double yellows that is way too late. Just like it was a joke when Rosberg got away with purpling under single yellows in Hungary. If there had been a crane already (was there shortly later) we could also have had Bianchi 2.0

Here from the outside https://youtu.be/T2e8rL0d4z0

You do know there is a slight difference of going off with 200km/h giving it full beans to under double yellow or a purple sector during Q and sliding off track when it's wet? The back stepped out because it locked up on engine braking, putting him outside the dry line. This was by far the slowest accident of the whole weekend, not because he was going too fast but because he was going too slow. Plus he didn't almost lost it in the corners before, that is what warming tires looks like when you have to stay within the delta of the rules.

On the onboard you can hear the engine. No throttle and the back snaps. Cold tires, no downforce, wet patch and there you slide. Great example that you also can be too careful.

Offcoursethere is a difference, so the damage to the Ferrari would have been minimal had he hit it. However humans (Leclerc walking there, possible marshalls coming out for Lec car) are a different story so that is why it is important to stay well within the limits under double waved yellows. From the onboard and grand stand video it looks like he takes too much speed from the previous corner, resulting in him to get off line slightly where it was wetter and off he went.didnt sound like he accelerated toomuch, but more that he didnt scrub enough speed before going in to the previous corner.

You do know they have to stay within 40% of the laptime? that's why you hear "keep the delta positive". He was going very slowly throughout the whole lap, the speed you think you see is him spinning up his tires and rubbing his fronts to get any heat in there. Look at other drivers during those periods.

You just don't expect it to be so slippery that the backend steps out because of engine braking.

By the way, Verstappen, Bottas and Vettel went off track during the SC as well, sliding off the circuit on cold slick tires.

[Pyrone89]

You do know there is a slight difference of going off with 200km/h giving it full beans to under double yellow or a purple sector during Q and sliding off track when it's wet? The back stepped out because it locked up on engine braking, putting him outside the dry line. This was by far the slowest accident of the whole weekend, not because he was going too fast but because he was going too slow. Plus he didn't almost lost it in the corners before, that is what warming tires looks like when you have to stay within the delta of the rules.

On the onboard you can hear the engine. No throttle and the back snaps. Cold tires, no downforce, wet patch and there you slide. Great example that you also can be too careful.

Offcoursethere is a difference, so the damage to the Ferrari would have been minimal had he hit it. However humans (Leclerc walking there, possible marshalls coming out for Lec car) are a different story so that is why it is important to stay well within the limits under double waved yellows. From the onboard and grand stand video it looks like he takes too much speed from the previous corner, resulting in him to get off line slightly where it was wetter and off he went.didnt sound like he accelerated toomuch, but more that he didnt scrub enough speed before going in to the previous corner.

You do know they have to stay within 40% of the laptime? that's why you hear "keep the delta positive". He was going very slowly throughout the whole lap, the speed you think you see is him spinning up his tires and rubbing his fronts to get any heat in there. Look at other drivers during those periods.

You just don't expect it to be so slippery that the backend steps out because of engine braking.

By the way, Verstappen, Bottas and Vettel went off track during the SC as well, sliding off the circuit on cold slick tires.

That is not how the VSC works. You have to drive 40% slower. There is no minimum speed limit except when lined up behind the SC and in qualifying on your inlap.

Do you have link to Verstappen and Bottas going of under VSC/SC? Verstappens 360 was under green flag conditions and havent seen anythimg other. Bottas crash was also under green flag conditions.

[Jolle]

Offcoursethere is a difference, so the damage to the Ferrari would have been minimal had he hit it. However humans (Leclerc walking there, possible marshalls coming out for Lec car) are a different story so that is why it is important to stay well within the limits under double waved yellows. From the onboard and grand stand video it looks like he takes too much speed from the previous corner, resulting in him to get off line slightly where it was wetter and off he went.didnt sound like he accelerated toomuch, but more that he didnt scrub enough speed before going in to the previous corner.

You do know they have to stay within 40% of the laptime? that's why you hear "keep the delta positive". He was going very slowly throughout the whole lap, the speed you think you see is him spinning up his tires and rubbing his fronts to get any heat in there. Look at other drivers during those periods.

You just don't expect it to be so slippery that the backend steps out because of engine braking.

By the way, Verstappen, Bottas and Vettel went off track during the SC as well, sliding off the circuit on cold slick tires.

That is not how the VSC works. You have to drive 40% slower. There is no minimum speed limit except when lined up behind the SC and in qualifying on your inlap.

Do you have link to Verstappen and Bottas going of under VSC/SC? Verstappens 360 was under green flag conditions and havent seen anythimg other. Bottas crash was also under green flag conditions.

Just look at the F1TV channel, you have all the onboard and team radio's there. If you only get your info from what people put on YouTube, then I understand how you came to your conclusions. Bottas, Vettel and Verstappen all slided off track during the laps catching the safety car, not during the VSC.

Under SC you have to stay within 40% of the speed, that's why they almost penalised Hamilton for going to slow.