2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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proteus
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Sieper wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 16:52
If Alonso return he deserves to be in a top seat. But for Max this is not a good perspective. Nor would Honda accept it I think. Max has actually gotten more points now that his teammate is struggling as before when he had a good team mate with Ricciardo. Sure it would be better to have a strong wingman but no way that Alonso will ever do that (nor should he).
Ferrari, Mercedes and RedBull all have rock solid driver linings, with backup drivers if needed. And all of their A drivers are younger than Fernando.

All i can say is that i admire the persistance of his fans. I on the other hand will not be missing him. Especially at Mclaren.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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proteus
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Pyrone89 wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:05
Alonso is never driving for a Honda powered F1 team again. Just like I dont think you will see Horner or Verstappen ever again working with Abiteboul (Renault is also a far stretch, but I feel Renault with a competent leader that does not make false promises and claims every 5 words would perhaps be acceptabel for Horner and Verstappen)
I dont believe he will ever drive any powered F1 car in the championship again either.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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proteus wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:39
Pyrone89 wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:05
Alonso is never driving for a Honda powered F1 team again. Just like I dont think you will see Horner or Verstappen ever again working with Abiteboul (Renault is also a far stretch, but I feel Renault with a competent leader that does not make false promises and claims every 5 words would perhaps be acceptabel for Horner and Verstappen)
I dont believe he will ever drive any powered F1 car in the championship again either.
Silly season fanatics: first Flintstone entry in F1 rumored
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proteus wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:37
Sieper wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 16:52
If Alonso return he deserves to be in a top seat. But for Max this is not a good perspective. Nor would Honda accept it I think. Max has actually gotten more points now that his teammate is struggling as before when he had a good team mate with Ricciardo. Sure it would be better to have a strong wingman but no way that Alonso will ever do that (nor should he).
Ferrari, Mercedes and RedBull all have rock solid driver linings, with backup drivers if needed. And all of their A drivers are younger than Fernando.

All i can say is that i admire the persistance of his fans. I on the other hand will not be missing him. Especially at Mclaren.
I can imagine. I too don’t appreciate the way he has Caried himselve.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:40
Silly season fanatics: first Flintstone entry in F1 rumored
eh its a long break :mrgreen:
who don't like an Alonso rumor

https://twitter.com/hondapu14/status/647028263722684417
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 21:26
your laughing face is a reference to Hamilton joking but he shouldn't do that to another friend in the sport.
we are keyboard fighters i couldn't care less about Gas and he shouldn't take harm feelings from me , Hamilton though...
I am afraid your native language ain't english and you are fully misreading my posts, so the best thing is to cut it here .. have a nice evening

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loner wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 11:20

get over it , let it go its not happening
GP2 engine .. now we can fight , bashing Arai , bashing Hasegawa..mocking Honda continuously
can't see Honda swallow their pride over Alonso.
perhaps RBR need to ditch GAS immediately , maybe Marko praying for Gas to go and Hornor as well , even Honda
want Gas go but Alonso is not a possibility.. seems kvyat not an option as if RBR already has a pre contract with some one for 2020.
if iam an engineer at Sakura i won't be happy seeing Alonso reaping my sweat and huge efforts.
Alonso not appreciated by all at Honda - Hasegawa
https://f1i.com/news/282735-alonso-not- ... egawa.html
You are absolutely right and I'm not a fan of Alonso. But sometimes it seems former enemies can benefit each other. If this helps Max, I agree to any action.

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I think that Honda didn't fuel saving too. Max was pushing start to end. And even harder on the 2nd stint, so I think all the advantage from Merc came with better&fresher tires and still a better PU. But Honda is there finally, and they have another Spec and at least another fuel upgrade "Suzuka Special" said by Esso/Mobil 1. So bring it on the fight, Honda has arrived and finally is ready to fight at and with the bests
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KelsO wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:42
You are absolutely right and I'm not a fan of Alonso. But sometimes it seems former enemies can benefit each other. If this helps Max, I agree to any action.
Alonso could destroy whats RBR and Honda building now unintentional, he just need to win and his arrogance drive him
,he retired a healthy car in Spa 2017 and i can go on for long time about his attitude when he don't get what he want.
he won't ever accept to be Max wing man , and to let them race is a disaster in the making.
MAX is the future life goes on , not worthy the gamble.
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:56
KelsO wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:42
You are absolutely right and I'm not a fan of Alonso. But sometimes it seems former enemies can benefit each other. If this helps Max, I agree to any action.
Alonso could destroy whats RBR and Honda building now unintentional, he just need to win and his arrogance drive him
,he retired a healthy car in Spa 2017 and i can go on for long time about his attitude when he don't get what he want.
he won't ever accept to be Max wing man , and to let them race is a disaster in the making.
MAX is the future life goes on , not worthy the gamble.
In fact, you quote my thoughts, just sometimes I think what happened if ... in any case, it's just reasoning.
The last article is about Alonso, about his tests in Bahrain. It may be true, it may be a lie, but it is very similar to it.

Seidl was “visiting” McLaren in Bahrain, second in the current championship stage. This visit coincided with the appearance at the location of McLaren Fernando Alonso. The Spaniard not only was present in the paddock during the race, but also worked for one day on the tests that took place after it.
“Andreas did not like this very much,” a source in the team told Motorsport.com. - It was noticeable how much the atmosphere in the team has changed due to the appearance of Fernando. Everyone seemed to have their tails tightened. The tension in the garage was unbelievable: as if everyone was waiting for criticism from him again - as it was in the last three years. Andreas noticed this, and perhaps it was then that he came up with the idea that such situations should be avoided in the future. ”

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verstappen being chased by hamilton in second stint:
https://streamable.com/z03x1


and the new race lap record (no commentary + telemetry). MODE 1, and send it! 8)
https://streamable.com/y3m3g


remember, streamable will not give you max quality on mobile, so you can DL all clips directly from link in my signature, or by clicking here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/3/fold ... 9UCCweHdm4

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Juzh wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 23:12
verstappen being chased by hamilton in second stint:
https://streamable.com/z03x1
https://streamable.com/z03x1

and the new race lap record (no commentary + telemetry). MODE 1, and send it! 8)
https://streamable.com/y3m3g
https://streamable.com/y3m3g

remember, streamable will not give you max quality on mobile, so you can DL all clips directly from link in my signature, or by clicking here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/3/fold ... 9UCCweHdm4
If only they had given Max those tyres when the gap temporarily stabalized at 15 sec for a few laps. Thus in lap 57, 13 to go the reds and low fuel. He would only need to bridge 5 seconds on a faster and fresher set. And then it would have been game on.
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True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

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KelsO wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:39
... It seems 18 bhp crazy figure ...
Err yes. From fuel !? I think a decimal point got lost in translation.

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bigblue wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 23:20
KelsO wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 22:39
... It seems 18 bhp crazy figure ...
Err yes. From fuel !? I think a decimal point got lost in translation.
Only around 2% of power. If it really is a revolutionary fuel who knows.
True GOATs don’t need the help of superior material to win.

Tom Brady, Usain Bolt are true GOATs.

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Pyrone89 wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 23:19
Juzh wrote:
05 Aug 2019, 23:12
verstappen being chased by hamilton in second stint:
https://streamable.com/z03x1
https://streamable.com/z03x1

and the new race lap record (no commentary + telemetry). MODE 1, and send it! 8)
https://streamable.com/y3m3g
https://streamable.com/y3m3g

remember, streamable will not give you max quality on mobile, so you can DL all clips directly from link in my signature, or by clicking here:
https://drive.google.com/drive/u/3/fold ... 9UCCweHdm4
If only they had given Max those tyres when the gap temporarily stabalized at 15 sec for a few laps. Thus in lap 57, 13 to go the reds and low fuel. He would only need to bridge 5 seconds on a faster and fresher set. And then it would have been game on.
First of all Juzh thanks again for these onboards

@Pyrone, you never ever gives up track position unless you are 100% you can get it back and if you have read some reports and heard some interviews, RB wasn't able to match the speed that Mercedes had ....never ever in this race.

If you paid attention, HAM could easily stay within the 2 sec margin behind VER in the 1. Stint
in the 2nd Stint he could close a gap of 6 sec within 3 laps, maybe due to backmarkers or a small mistake, but i am not gonna discuss that.
after HAM changed on Mediums he pounded in best laptimes after best laptimes, Max had to go flatout to match HAM his laptimes but wasn't able to.... RB couldn't bring in because after HAM changed to Med he already had that gap below 20 sec. after the first 2 sectors and that would mean giving up track position, as which i already said you'll never ever do unless you are 100% sure to get it back, which RB wasn't .... and it is hard to overtake at the Hungary track