2019 Mclaren F1 Team - Renault

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Sainz:
"Today it's seventh with the two Renaults light years ahead in the standings. In front of a Red Bull. Perfect. The car in the race is always better, but in qualifying Renault has taken enough out of us, so it will be difficult to beat them.
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/12801 ... n-carrera-

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M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:23
Sainz:
"Today it's seventh with the two Renaults light years ahead in the standings. In front of a Red Bull. Perfect. The car in the race is always better, but in qualifying Renault has taken enough out of us, so it will be difficult to beat them.
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/12801 ... n-carrera-
But can they maintain that pace all race? Fuel, Tyres etc?
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Big Tea wrote:
M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:23
Sainz:
"Today it's seventh with the two Renaults light years ahead in the standings. In front of a Red Bull. Perfect. The car in the race is always better, but in qualifying Renault has taken enough out of us, so it will be difficult to beat them.
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/12801 ... n-carrera-
But can they maintain that pace all race? Fuel, Tyres etc?
Tires is the big differentiator during the race... If Carlos can maintain himself in the slipstream / drs and manage his tires better than them... He should have a chance.

It should be a fun race tomorrow... Hoping for no first lap incidents




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Big Tea wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:25
M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:23
Sainz:
"Today it's seventh with the two Renaults light years ahead in the standings. In front of a Red Bull. Perfect. The car in the race is always better, but in qualifying Renault has taken enough out of us, so it will be difficult to beat them.
https://www.motorlat.com/notas/f1/12801 ... n-carrera-
But can they maintain that pace all race? Fuel, Tyres etc?
Lower temps on Sunday should suit the car. As for the fuel & tyres situation: if they keep close enough to stay in the tow without pushing the rear wheels too much they'll be getting increasingly faster every lap relative to non-towed cars ahead (Renault) since you benefit from less drag and corner exit speed. This is exactly what Lewis did to Kimi last year.

For reference, here's a comparison of wing levels between Mclaren & Renault.

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They run low-df which can be good for 1 lap but not over 50. Especially with the 2019 spec thinner tread pirellis which have very a narrow operating window. Less downforce means more sliding and hence higher tyre deg, simple.

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M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:12
Big Tea wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 21:25
But can they maintain that pace all race? Fuel, Tyres etc?
Lower temps on Sunday should suit the car. As for the fuel & tyres situation: if they keep close enough to stay in the tow without pushing the rear wheels too much they'll be getting increasingly faster every lap relative to non-towed cars ahead (Renault) since you benefit from less drag and corner exit speed. This is exactly what Lewis did to Kimi last year.

For reference, here's a comparison of wing levels between Mclaren & Renault.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/ED4x6sHW4AE ... =4096x4096
https://imgr1.auto-motor-und-sport.de/C ... 626397.jpg

They run low-df which can be good for 1 lap but not over 50. Especially with the 2019 spec thinner tread pirellis which have very a narrow operating window. Less downforce means more sliding and hence higher tyre deg, simple.
Yeah, we saw it in Spa as well. Mercedes was much, much faster in the race, while being quite a way off in quali.

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How about the rain chances for tomorrow? Anyone know what the predictions are? I’d figure it would play into our hands if it were to be a wet race.

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McL-H wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 23:56
How about the rain chances for tomorrow? Anyone know what the predictions are? I’d figure it would play into our hands if it were to be a wet race.
Marti-EF3's app saying 78% chance of rain at 14:00
my app saying 58%
McMikka saying no rain

so pick the one you like :lol:

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the Italian national weather service says there's a 10% chance of rain for the race. Also according to (the usually quite reliable) yr.no rain will disappear after noon.

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M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:12
They run low-df which can be good for 1 lap but not over 50. Especially with the 2019 spec thinner tread pirellis which have very a narrow operating window. Less downforce means more sliding and hence higher tyre deg, simple.
this is not true. you drive on the limit and limit is when you start sliding so you slide either way. actually challenge there is about getting right temperature in tyres and keeping it. sometimes more downforce gives too much heat. sometimes there is too little. but it depends on other factors not only downforce. so i guess you do not have data to make that conclusion.

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kasio wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 09:54
M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:12
They run low-df which can be good for 1 lap but not over 50. Especially with the 2019 spec thinner tread pirellis which have very a narrow operating window. Less downforce means more sliding and hence higher tyre deg, simple.
this is not true. you drive on the limit and limit is when you start sliding so you slide either way. actually challenge there is about getting right temperature in tyres and keeping it. sometimes more downforce gives too much heat. sometimes there is too little. but it depends on other factors not only downforce. so i guess you do not have data to make that conclusion.
Nothing's definitive, but we go on probability. Low df increases risk of sliding, that's certain. This is especially relevant when you're told to push more. Carlos can avoid high cornering speeds but still hang in the tow to keep similar pace; whereas a car without tow has to push his tyres harder.

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M840TR wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 10:19
kasio wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 09:54
M840TR wrote:
07 Sep 2019, 22:12
They run low-df which can be good for 1 lap but not over 50. Especially with the 2019 spec thinner tread pirellis which have very a narrow operating window. Less downforce means more sliding and hence higher tyre deg, simple.
this is not true. you drive on the limit and limit is when you start sliding so you slide either way. actually challenge there is about getting right temperature in tyres and keeping it. sometimes more downforce gives too much heat. sometimes there is too little. but it depends on other factors not only downforce. so i guess you do not have data to make that conclusion.
Nothing's definitive, but we go on probability. Low df increases risk of sliding, that's certain. This is especially relevant when you're told to push more. Carlos can avoid high cornering speeds but still hang in the tow to keep similar pace; whereas a car without tow has to push his tyres harder.
You find the limit of sliding on each setup on each downforce level so the sliding is not directly related to downforce it is directly related to driving (finding Your limit). And You are wrong about tow as well. there is tyre temps factor again.

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With all these penalties does anyone know where lando is starting?

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charliesmithhd wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 12:52
With all these penalties does anyone know where lando is starting?
17th.
If i would get the money to start my own F1 team, i would revive Arrows

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proteus wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 12:59
charliesmithhd wrote:
08 Sep 2019, 12:52
With all these penalties does anyone know where lando is starting?
17th.
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1. Charles Leclerc, Ferrari
2. Lewis Hamilton, Mercedes
3. Valtteri Bottas, Mercedes
4. Sebastian Vettel, Ferrari
5. Daniel Ricciardo, Renault
6. Nico Hulkenberg, Renault
7. Carlos Sainz, McLaren
8. Alex Albon, Red Bull
9. Lance Stroll, Racing Point
10. Antonio Giovinazzi, Alfa Romeo
11. Kevin Magnussen, Haas
12. Daniil Kvyat, Toro Rosso
13. Romain Grosjean, Haas
14. George Russell, Williams
15. Robert Kubica, Williams
16. Lando Norris, McLaren
17. Pierre Gasly, Toro Rosso
18. Sergio Perez, Racing Point
19. Max Verstappen, Red Bull
Pit-lane. Kimi Raikkonen, Alfa Romeo