Brazil GP 2008

[chasefreak]

Helloooooo!!
I've been looking at all the sports networks this morning and no one has mentioned Vettel.
I think he is more than worth mentioning since he passed Hamilton on the last few laps of the race, taking the championship away from Lewis. His pass of the Hamilton was more significant than anything else that happened in Brazil, more so than Glock losing grip on the last corner.
It was pure brilliance, a Toro Rosso passing a Mclaren and maybe a foreshadowing for next year.
Vettel took some sheen off Hamiltons championship victory and I'm sure it will be talked about in the near future.

he was able to pass hamilton only cuz RK pushed him wide..... both the mclaren and TR were equally matched when it came down to speed. cus vettel was not able to pull away from hamilton even after he over took him.....

[ISLAMATRON]

Helloooooo!!
I've been looking at all the sports networks this morning and no one has mentioned Vettel.
I think he is more than worth mentioning since he passed Hamilton on the last few laps of the race, taking the championship away from Lewis. His pass of the Hamilton was more significant than anything else that happened in Brazil, more so than Glock losing grip on the last corner.
It was pure brilliance, a Toro Rosso passing a Mclaren and maybe a foreshadowing for next year.
Vettel took some sheen off Hamiltons championship victory and I'm sure it will be talked about in the near future.

Already discussed... watch the race a little more closely and get the full context of what is going on.

"Vettle caught up to HAmilton partly because hamilton had to run much longer on the last set of dries than Vettle, and partly becuz LH was saving the car and have position 5 in hand.

Remember they came in for inters nose to tail.

Vettle easily passed HAmilton becuz Kubika strangly held up HAmilton, and just as importantly becuz HAmilton had more of a dry set up than Vettle and "struggled" in the 2nd sector all race... meaning he had less wing.

We all know a wet setup in the dry losses much more time than a dry setup in the wet, tires notwithstanding. So the conservative comprimise was to set up HAmilton for the dry, which happened to be the majority of the running."

[Rodzilla]

Helloooooo!!
I've been looking at all the sports networks this morning and no one has mentioned Vettel.
I think he is more than worth mentioning since he passed Hamilton on the last few laps of the race, taking the championship away from Lewis. His pass of the Hamilton was more significant than anything else that happened in Brazil, more so than Glock losing grip on the last corner.
It was pure brilliance, a Toro Rosso passing a Mclaren and maybe a foreshadowing for next year.
Vettel took some sheen off Hamiltons championship victory and I'm sure it will be talked about in the near future.

Already discussed... watch the race a little more closely and get the full context of what is going on.

"Vettle caught up to HAmilton partly because hamilton had to run much longer on the last set of dries than Vettle, and partly becuz LH was saving the car and have position 5 in hand.

Remember they came in for inters nose to tail.

Vettle easily passed HAmilton becuz Kubika strangly held up HAmilton, and just as importantly becuz HAmilton had more of a dry set up than Vettle and "struggled" in the 2nd sector all race... meaning he had less wing.

We all know a wet setup in the dry losses much more time than a dry setup in the wet, tires notwithstanding. So the conservative comprimise was to set up HAmilton for the dry, which happened to be the majority of the running."

what do you mean kubica strangely held him up? he unlapped himself cleanly

what i think happened was hamilton was told that vettel was right behind him in 6th place and that he needed to keep him behind, but when kubica passed both of them, hamilton mistakenely thought it was for position and immediately tried to push and get it back (running wide at the last corner)

but it was all hamiltons mistake

[vasia]

Perfect race from Felipe!
Vettel was on fire in the latter stages.

Fantastic race! Down to the last few corners! Brilliant!

Well done to Lewis

Honda on fire at the end

That must have been a final insult to a miserable season for Honda. The RA108 has had miserable performance this year, and on top of that Honda's RA808E engine has had mediocre reliability this year.

That was either an extreme lack of skill by Glock, or on purpose. Doesn't matter which one, but I lost a lot of whatever respect I had for that guy.

On the last corner, decided like that. Congratulations Lewis, but this is Massa's in my book (which is admittedly odd).

Extreme lack of skill? Do you even understand the situation that Glock faced? He was on DRY tires on the last lap, and the track was quite wet and the rain just kept coming harder. Most other drivers would have spun out or crashed into a barrier. I'm amazed that Glock even managed to keep the car on the track.

Trulli was on dry tires for the last lap as well, and Trulli had an equally horrible last lap as Glock. Toyota gambled on staying on with dry tires instead of coming in to put on inters, and obviously their gamble did not pay off.

My sincere congratulations to Lewis Hamilton, who earned the most respectable trophy in racing from his racing skills! A true world champion. He was robbed points from the FIA, had a whole contry against him plus all the racists of the world, had to cope with Trulli solding his ass to Massa, and had to survive to an aggressive (as usual) Vettel, yet he managed to keep his head cool even in the most horrible moment when he was virtually losing the championship in the last lap. CONGRATULATIONS! =D>

Driver of the race: Vettel IMO. Torro Rosso will be crying now they lost such a talent. All the better for Red Bull.

I like Trulli very much but for the first time in my life I feel he's surrounded by shame. The declaration at the post qualifying press conference crushed all the respect I had for him, and I'll avoid to make remarks of his "move" on Bourdais (which hadn't been penalised btw). Today he was like a replica of schuey for me. [-X

Well, time to say goodbye to grooved tyres and welcome back to slicks... Err... It's also time to welcome reduced rear wing sorry I'm feeling bad...

Trulli's move on Bourdais was nothing compared to the absolute ridiculous move Bourdais pulled on Trulli at Spa, where Bourdais slammed his car into the rear of Trulli in the first corner, crippling Trulli's Toyota for the rest of the race. There was no penalty there, and no explanation from Bourdais. I find it a little funny that nobody is criticizing Bourdais for his move at Spa.

Anyways, congrats to Lewis winning his first championship, and being youngest-ever champion. Yes some of it had to do with luck, but so have championships in previous years.

Fact is, this is an egg on Ferrari's face. For far too long, the FIA has favoured Ferrari, and that includes this year where several times the FIA favoured Ferrari. Ferrari has had a VERY easy time in the sport for quite a while, but now it looks like Ferrari's dominance in F1 is fading away, and we may actually see the return of the "dark days" for Ferrari, which Ferrari fans ironically rarely talk about.

I for one am glad that finally someone other than a Ferrari driver is world champion. 2005 and 2006 Alonso did it, 2007 was Kimi, but now 2008 it is Lewis. So in the past 4 years, only once has a Ferrari driver been champion. The Schumacher era is over, and the dream-team of Todt-Brawn-Schumi is also gone.

The driver championship this year was Ferrari's to lose. Massa has done great pretty much all year, and it is NOT his fault his team let him down, with the fuel-hose issue a few races before, and the reliability problems that included blown engines. Lewis being champion due to some luck is an egg on Ferrari's face, just like last year Kimi being champion with some luck was an egg on McLaren's face.

With Ferrari struggling with their KERS system, it should be a very interesting 2009 season. I would love to see a BMW, Renault, or even Toyota driver win the championship, and shake things up in the F1 world.

[mx_tifoso]

A picture is worth more than a million words...



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[Roland Ehnström]

Trulli was on dry tires for the last lap as well, and Trulli had an equally horrible last lap as Glock. Toyota gambled on staying on with dry tires instead of coming in to put on inters, and obviously their gamble did not pay off.

Actually the gamble did pay off for Glock: He was P7 before everyone exept him and his team-mate stopped for intermediates, and he ended the race in P6. His gamble put him ahead of Kovalainen, and almost gained him another two positions. So hats off to Toyota for a good gamble and to Glock for keeping the car on the track on the last lap in heavy rain.

[vasia]

Trulli was on dry tires for the last lap as well, and Trulli had an equally horrible last lap as Glock. Toyota gambled on staying on with dry tires instead of coming in to put on inters, and obviously their gamble did not pay off.

Actually the gamble did pay off for Glock: He was P7 before everyone exept him and his team-mate stopped for intermediates, and he ended the race in P6. His gamble put him ahead of Kovalainen, and almost gained him another two positions. So hats off to Toyota for a good gamble and to Glock for keeping the car on the track on the last lap in heavy rain.

Agreed, I guess I should have been more clear though. In terms of Glock finishing in P4, it did not pay off. In terms of him gaining a spot, you're right it did pay off. The point of the gamble way to gain several spots, which did not work out that well.

[mx_tifoso]

now it looks like Ferrari's dominance in F1 is fading away, and we may actually see the return of the "dark days" for Ferrari, which Ferrari fans ironically rarely talk about.

The driver championship this year was Ferrari's to lose. Massa has done great pretty much all year, and it is NOT his fault his team let him down, with the fuel-hose issue a few races before, and the reliability problems that included blown engines. Lewis being champion due to some luck is an egg on Ferrari's face, just like last year Kimi being champion with some luck was an egg on McLaren's face.

It's interesting how 'dark days' for Ferrari includes two championship winning capable drivers and a highly capable administration/team. Not bad I would say.

And it's true, the championships were for Ferrari to lose, Massa's mistake in Sepang cost him the title, even from that early on in the season. But he more than made up for it as the season progressed, although ultimately it was not enough. And luckily they were more than capable of winning the constructors with their race winning-driver pairing, which no other team on the grid has available. And I say that because Kovalainan is not at such level right now, leaving Hamilton the only one capable of winning on his own merit as a driver, IMO.

What doesn't you kill you can only make you stronger as they say, so I fully expect the entire Ferrari team to come back in full force next season. Both drivers immensely motivated with their individual reasoning, and with the administration more experienced, I don't foresee negative outcomes.

I can't wait for winter testing.

[andartop]

Fact is, this is an egg on Ferrari's face. For far too long, the FIA has favoured Ferrari, and that includes this year where several times the FIA favoured Ferrari. Ferrari has had a VERY easy time in the sport for quite a while, but now it looks like Ferrari's dominance in F1 is fading away, and we may actually see the return of the "dark days" for Ferrari, which Ferrari fans ironically rarely talk about.

I for one am glad that finally someone other than a Ferrari driver is world champion. 2005 and 2006 Alonso did it, 2007 was Kimi, but now 2008 it is Lewis. So in the past 4 years, only once has a Ferrari driver been champion. The Schumacher era is over, and the dream-team of Todt-Brawn-Schumi is also gone.

The driver championship this year was Ferrari's to lose. Massa has done great pretty much all year, and it is NOT his fault his team let him down, with the fuel-hose issue a few races before, and the reliability problems that included blown engines. Lewis being champion due to some luck is an egg on Ferrari's face, just like last year Kimi being champion with some luck was an egg on McLaren's face.

With Ferrari struggling with their KERS system, it should be a very interesting 2009 season. I would love to see a BMW, Renault, or even Toyota driver win the championship, and shake things up in the F1 world.

Have you been watching a different championship? Ferrari did win the constructors championship second year in a row, which means they ARE the best team. For the first time in many years they had a car which was utterly crap in the wet, and at the same time we had more wet races than time immemorial. (or was it a FIA conspiracy to arrange the dates/venues so that we would have more wet races? please, enough with the conspiracies, Lewis won the bloody championship, if they were conspiring he wouldn't have!!!) Also, Kimi arguably had his worst season ever regarding performance and mistakes, and Ferrari had the worst reliability since a long time, plus several quite severe mistakes (including strategies, reaction to changing conditions AND human errors), and they still won it by 21 points!!! And don't forget Massa had 6 wins, as opposed to the champion's 5 (AND I AM TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL RESULTS, PLEASE DO NOT MENTION SPA AGAIN!!!), i'm still waiting for someone to remind me when was the last time in F1 history that the driver classified second overall had more wins than the champion...
If this seems like Dark Ages to you well I hope it lasts for another 20 years...

[vyselegend]

Trulli's move on Bourdais was nothing compared to the absolute ridiculous move Bourdais pulled on Trulli at Spa, where Bourdais slammed his car into the rear of Trulli in the first corner, crippling Trulli's Toyota for the rest of the race. There was no penalty there, and no explanation from Bourdais. I find it a little funny that nobody is criticizing Bourdais for his move at Spa.

Well, you have a point.

It's right that Bourdais was responsible for the Spa incident, and while those things can happen to anyone, he should have made public excuses to Trulli. For the record I remember Jarno presented his excuses to Heikki when he slammed his car into the back of the Finn's car in France last year (Adelaide hairpin, first lap). I also have to say I had some resonable level of alcool in my veins yesterday (the postponned start of the race had me take a one beer-pack advance in my planning lol), so I was getting maybe too emotional in my posts. As I said Trulli is a driver I like very much, so I shouldn't insult him like that because of his attitude in Brazil. (even if I'm pissed about his will to interfere in the championship)

Still, I'll insist in condemning his move on Bourdais, and I disagree with you when you say that "it was nothing compared to[...]Spa". I don't care about the impact on each one's race (that's part of the game), nor about the lack of penalty (we had more than our share of that already), but the big difference is that Trulli's move was dangerous. Turn one of Interlagos can be considered a medium to high speed turn; pushing someone off track there is in a different league than coliding in Spa's La source hairpin, in terms of danger. I don't say that Trulli purposedly pushed the Torro rosso off track (I sincerly hope not), but it's his responsibility as a driver to let room to the car he overtake, and he did not.

That's my point.

I'll add also that in my opinion (which doesn't count that much since I didn't have a very clear view of the incident) he did a Massa on Seb in China too, and not only he didn't excuse himself, but he tried to put the blame on Bourdais, while he was the first to condemn the move of Felipe in Japan. That's called hipocrisy.

I hope now this dirty game between those two will stop. They're big boys, so they should be able to shake their hands and clear the board...

[vasia]

now it looks like Ferrari's dominance in F1 is fading away, and we may actually see the return of the "dark days" for Ferrari, which Ferrari fans ironically rarely talk about.

The driver championship this year was Ferrari's to lose. Massa has done great pretty much all year, and it is NOT his fault his team let him down, with the fuel-hose issue a few races before, and the reliability problems that included blown engines. Lewis being champion due to some luck is an egg on Ferrari's face, just like last year Kimi being champion with some luck was an egg on McLaren's face.

It's interesting how 'dark days' for Ferrari includes two championship winning capable drivers and a highly capable administration/team. Not bad I would say.

And it's true, the championships were for Ferrari to lose, Massa's mistake in Sepang cost him the title, even from that early on in the season. But he more than made up for it as the season progressed, although ultimately it was not enough. And luckily they were more than capable of winning the constructors with their race winning-driver pairing, which no other team on the grid has available. And I say that because Kovalainan is not at such level right now, leaving Hamilton the only one capable of winning on his own merit as a driver, IMO.

What doesn't you kill you can only make you stronger as they say, so I fully expect the entire Ferrari team to come back in full force next season. Both drivers immensely motivated with their individual reasoning, and with the administration more experienced, I don't foresee negative outcomes.

I can't wait for winter testing.

Huh? During the actual "dark days" at Ferrari, before the arrival of the "dream team" at Ferrari, they had drivers that were "championship-winning capable" drivers. Gerhard Berger for one, as well as Michele Alboreto. Both were race-winning drivers.

It's funny how much Toyota gets criticized in F1, yet rarely people talk about the "dark years" at Ferrari, spanning from the early-1980s to the late 1990s (pretty much a span of roughly 20 years). Even with the takeover and backing of the Ferrari race team by Fiat starting from the late 1980s, they had nothing to shown for it for years until the "dream team" of Brawn-Scumi-Todt arrived.

I'm not even a tifosi fan, but I know for a fact that during Ferrari's "dark years" they too had a highly capable staff/administration. Having that is not enough though. You need to be able to translate that into championships.

Specifically from the late 80s and to late 90s, despite having DECADES of F1 experience, experienced and capable staff, and the deep-pockets support of Fiat Ferrari had almost nothing to show for it in terms of championship wins.

Like I said, now that the "dream team" is gone from Ferrari what makes you think they'll be stronger than ever in the next few years? It's no secret Ferrari is struggling with KERS right now, and there are reports they actually scrapped their initial KERS design because it was flawed.

Ferrari's dominance from the late 1990s to a few years ago was due to the brilliant strategic thinking of Todt, the genius technical abilities of Brawn, and the talent of Schumi.

Despite all the potential, this year Ferrari as a team was in dis-array and it could be seen in several instances. Yes they won the constructor's championship and they deserve credit for it, but ultimately the driver's championship is what counts more in the end.

Fact is, this is an egg on Ferrari's face. For far too long, the FIA has favoured Ferrari, and that includes this year where several times the FIA favoured Ferrari. Ferrari has had a VERY easy time in the sport for quite a while, but now it looks like Ferrari's dominance in F1 is fading away, and we may actually see the return of the "dark days" for Ferrari, which Ferrari fans ironically rarely talk about.

I for one am glad that finally someone other than a Ferrari driver is world champion. 2005 and 2006 Alonso did it, 2007 was Kimi, but now 2008 it is Lewis. So in the past 4 years, only once has a Ferrari driver been champion. The Schumacher era is over, and the dream-team of Todt-Brawn-Schumi is also gone.

The driver championship this year was Ferrari's to lose. Massa has done great pretty much all year, and it is NOT his fault his team let him down, with the fuel-hose issue a few races before, and the reliability problems that included blown engines. Lewis being champion due to some luck is an egg on Ferrari's face, just like last year Kimi being champion with some luck was an egg on McLaren's face.

With Ferrari struggling with their KERS system, it should be a very interesting 2009 season. I would love to see a BMW, Renault, or even Toyota driver win the championship, and shake things up in the F1 world.

Have you been watching a different championship? Ferrari did win the constructors championship second year in a row, which means they ARE the best team. For the first time in many years they had a car which was utterly crap in the wet, and at the same time we had more wet races than time immemorial. (or was it a FIA conspiracy to arrange the dates/venues so that we would have more wet races? please, enough with the conspiracies, Lewis won the bloody championship, if they were conspiring he wouldn't have!!!) Also, Kimi arguably had his worst season ever regarding performance and mistakes, and Ferrari had the worst reliability since a long time, plus several quite severe mistakes (including strategies, reaction to changing conditions AND human errors), and they still won it by 21 points!!! And don't forget Massa had 6 wins, as opposed to the champion's 5 (AND I AM TALKING ABOUT OFFICIAL RESULTS, PLEASE DO NOT MENTION SPA AGAIN!!!), i'm still waiting for someone to remind me when was the last time in F1 history that the driver classified second overall had more wins than the champion...
If this seems like Dark Ages to you well I hope it lasts for another 20 years...

Did Ferrari win the constructor's or driver's championships in 2005? In 2006? Fact is, Ferrari's dominance in F1 is OVER. Yes, they won the constructor's championship, but they did not DOMINATE this year, nor last year.

Ferrari struggled in 2005 to adapt to the rules changes then, and that was with the dream team still being around. In fact, Toyota came awfully close to finishing ahead of Ferrari in the constructor's standings that year.

So far the signs are not so great for Ferrari in terms of adapting to the 2009 changes.

Trulli's move on Bourdais was nothing compared to the absolute ridiculous move Bourdais pulled on Trulli at Spa, where Bourdais slammed his car into the rear of Trulli in the first corner, crippling Trulli's Toyota for the rest of the race. There was no penalty there, and no explanation from Bourdais. I find it a little funny that nobody is criticizing Bourdais for his move at Spa.

Well, you have a point.

It's right that Bourdais was responsible for the Spa incident, and while those things can happen to anyone, he should have made public excuses to Trulli. For the record I remember Jarno presented his excuses to Heikki when he slammed his car into the back of the Finn's car in France last year (Adelaide hairpin, first lap). I also have to say I had some resonable level of alcool in my veins yesterday (the postponned start of the race had me take a one beer-pack advance in my planning lol), so I was getting maybe too emotional in my posts. As I said Trulli is a driver I like very much, so I shouldn't insult him like that because of his attitude in Brazil. (even if I'm pissed about his will to interfere in the championship)

Still, I'll insist in condemning his move on Bourdais, and I disagree with you when you say that "it was nothing compared to[...]Spa". I don't care about the impact on each one's race (that's part of the game), nor about the lack of penalty (we had more than our share of that already), but the big difference is that Trulli's move was dangerous. Turn one of Interlagos can be considered a medium to high speed turn; pushing someone off track there is in a different league than coliding in Spa's La source hairpin, in terms of danger. I don't say that Trulli purposedly pushed the Torro rosso off track (I sincerly hope not), but it's his responsibility as a driver to let room to the car he overtake, and he did not.

That's my point.

I'll add also that in my opinion (which doesn't count that much since I didn't have a very clear view of the incident) he did a Massa on Seb in China too, and not only he didn't excuse himself, but he tried to put the blame on Bourdais, while he was the first to condemn the move of Felipe in Japan. That's called hipocrisy.

I hope now this dirty game between those two will stop. They're big boys, so they should be able to shake their hands and clear the board...

Agreed for the most part. I will say though that the cars did not make contact here at Interlagos, so I don't see it as being as dangerous as the Spa incident, or even the Shanghai incident where Trulli was taken out by Bourdais.

[andartop]

Did Ferrari win the constructor's or driver's championships in 2005? In 2006? Fact is, Ferrari's dominance in F1 is OVER. Yes, they won the constructor's championship, but they did not DOMINATE this year, nor last year.

Ferrari struggled in 2005 to adapt to the rules changes then, and that was with the dream team still being around. In fact, Toyota came awfully close to finishing ahead of Ferrari in the constructor's standings that year.

So far the signs are not so great for Ferrari in terms of adapting to the 2009 changes.

2005 was indeed a bad year for Ferrari, as they finished 3rd. In 2006 they came 2nd with 201 points as opposed to Renault's 206. For the record McLaren was 3rd with 110 points (almost half!). In total, over the last decade, Ferrari won 8 out of 10 Constructor's Championships, and got a 2nd and a 3rd place. Their closest rivals, Renault/Benetton, won 2 Championships, and got positions ranging from 3rd to 7th, and McLaren won nil and got positions ranging from 2nd to 11th(or 5th if you want to disregard last year's cheating)! I do not know what the signs say, or the birds' flight patterns or the palantir, but the FACTS say that Ferrari as a Team have DOMINATED the last decade, by far...

[timbo]

Did Ferrari win the constructor's or driver's championships in 2005? In 2006? Fact is, Ferrari's dominance in F1 is OVER. Yes, they won the constructor's championship, but they did not DOMINATE this year, nor last year.

I can't see your point. If anything Ferrari dominated ONLY 2002 and 2004 (well, maybe 2001 too but not as much). And with your logic, what would you say about McLaren? With tremendous resources (remember - they DON'T build engines, yet in terms of budget they are at the same level with Ferrari), great designers and Ron Dennis who has more F1 experience than any other team leader, they managed to win 2 WDC titles over last 10 seasons, and 1 WCC.

Fact is, leaders come and go and that's noting new.

As for Ferrari, you may as well find that right now they had solved two main problems that prevented them from thaking title at 80's and 90's. Now they have good organization and they also managed to create great technological base (at 80's they had to outsource many things like monocoque fabrication etc, and had design office based in England). So I think that they still would make a good competition.

[Ciro Pabón]

... while some sarcastic people (not me!) could add that Hamilton won in a car with technology copied from Ferrari.

[vasia]

Did Ferrari win the constructor's or driver's championships in 2005? In 2006? Fact is, Ferrari's dominance in F1 is OVER. Yes, they won the constructor's championship, but they did not DOMINATE this year, nor last year.

Ferrari struggled in 2005 to adapt to the rules changes then, and that was with the dream team still being around. In fact, Toyota came awfully close to finishing ahead of Ferrari in the constructor's standings that year.

So far the signs are not so great for Ferrari in terms of adapting to the 2009 changes.

2005 was indeed a bad year for Ferrari, as they finished 3rd. In 2006 they came 2nd with 201 points as opposed to Renault's 206. For the record McLaren was 3rd with 110 points (almost half!). In total, over the last decade, Ferrari won 8 out of 10 Constructor's Championships, and got a 2nd and a 3rd place. Their closest rivals, Renault/Benetton, won 2 Championships, and got positions ranging from 3rd to 7th, and McLaren won nil and got positions ranging from 2nd to 11th(or 5th if you want to disregard last year's cheating)! I do not know what the signs say, or the birds' flight patterns or the palantir, but the FACTS say that Ferrari as a Team have DOMINATED the last decade, by far...

I fully give credit to the time when Ferrari dominated, and that was during the time when the "dream team" was around. MOST of Ferrari's dominance in the last decade was because of the dream team. That is my point. Since the "dream team" left Ferrari a few years ago, Ferrari has NOT been as dominant. Ferrari has not been dominant since 2004.

This year neither McLaren nor Ferrari were dominant; most of the race wins were split between Ferrari and McLaren. McLaren and Lewis got the driver's championship, Ferrari got the constructor's. Last year, Ferrari got the constructor's championship ONLY because McLaren was disqualified from the constructor championship. Kimi won the championship by a hair just as Lewis did, but the difference in 2007 was that Lewis and Alonso BOTH finished only one point behind Kimi. Based on results and race wins, it was technically McLaren that was the better team as they achieved more points than Ferrari did for the 2007 season.

In 2006, Alonso beat Schumacher in the driver's championship by a comfortable margin, 13 points to be exact. Renault also won the constructor's championship that year by a few points. In 2005, both Renault and McLaren beat Ferrari by a HUGE amount in the constructor's championship. Toyota finished only 12 points behind Ferrari in the constructor's championship that year. Alonso and Kimi beat Schumi in the driver's championship by a huge margin as well.

So since 2005, over the past 4 years Ferrari has won the constructor's championship 2 out of 4 years, one of which was thanks to some luck from the FIA, and won the driver's championship only 1 out 4 years. That's definitely not dominance.

With the 2009 changes, I don't see Ferrari being dominant either.