2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Rbr Honda are changing pu in wrong tracks they are not the team with maximum downforce like in the past the should have changed pu in Singapore while the front runners were crawling around bunching up the field they could used the opportunity to overtake and safety cars to recover positions

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GhostF1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 11:30
Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 07:27
GhostF1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 01:59


I think it's premature to say ICE mileage is their limiting factor, we don't actually know. They are the only manufacturer to not have a failure on track this year and all engines are still available in the pool. Taking this new Spec 4 allows them to use previous PU's in practices for the remaining races and also gives them scope to run the two new Spec 4 units harder for the remaining 6 races. The current Spec 4 introduced in Spa and Monza.. If it was to be stretched to last 8 or 9 races (important to note no other manufacturer has run their engine for this long), then the performance would surely suffer. The coming races will be exciting to see unfold.
Indeed we dont know for a fact..
But tell me, how are Merc and Ferrari spec 3 engines holding out from Spa/Monza till end of season then? Honda needs 5 ICE. They use just 3 and dont break either at works team.
We'll see if they can manage it. So far only the works team for both have gone trouble free... We shall see if that is possible.
It's funny when Honda fans have doubts about rivals' engines. No need to wait, actually.
Mercdes and Ferrari have already managed it last year. Except Bottas, he got 1 extra ICE, TC and MGU-H.
https://www.fia.com/file/75203/download

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auv wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 11:51
GhostF1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 11:30
Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 07:27


Indeed we dont know for a fact..
But tell me, how are Merc and Ferrari spec 3 engines holding out from Spa/Monza till end of season then? Honda needs 5 ICE. They use just 3 and dont break either at works team.
We'll see if they can manage it. So far only the works team for both have gone trouble free... We shall see if that is possible.
It's funny when Honda fans have doubts about rivals' engines. No need to wait, actually.
Mercdes and Ferrari have already managed it last year. Except Bottas, he got 1 extra ICE, TC and MGU-H.
https://www.fia.com/file/75203/download
This doesnt show the full picture and you know it. Merc had 2 customer pu fails and ferrari 1 more. They're just using older specs to compensate. Kubica is in fact getting a new spec 3 pu this weekend with penalties.

PS. Kvyat had fuel pressure problem not an engine blow out.

Bill
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Why do have to be thick headed Redbull has already said these it's a transition year getting to know and understand Honda pu next year will be be used for championship assault. Changing pu is a necessary evil to speed up engine development everything was pre planned they don't care what merc and Ferrari gets up to.

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auv wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 12:23

"They are using older specs to compensate" ? No problem, why RBR Honda can't do the same to avoid unnecessary penalties?
Because they have already said that they are going to push development so they will use more engines. They said it before they season, they have continued to say it. This is not "unnecessary", it's calculated. The whole ICE penalty this weekend, it's all about the next race. They want a fresh engine for the home race. The reality is, the penalty this weekend probably doesn't mean much. If it's a clean race, they will probably end up in P4-6... probably where they would have been without the engine penalty.

The real question is: why do people keep ignoring that part of the equation?

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verstappen's fp1 lap 1.34.544 (exhaust mic is gone :( )

https://streamable.com/dlxys


Gotta say the car looks good, if a bit stiff over bumps. Still looks much better than what I've seen from ferrari so far. Remember, this is verstappen's like 4th flying lap on those soft tires, whereas ferrari did his best laps on first run out of the box. Ferrari is all about straight line speed, even in fp1. They had 15-16 kmh advantage over honda on the main straight. Most likely that's down to just ferrari being ferrari, running with unreasonable modes early in the weekend already, as is tradition.
I was too lazy to make a side by side comparison with leclerc's lap, especially as it's only fp1, but I've included telemetry from him.

https://streamable.com/g9iq3
Last edited by Juzh on 27 Sep 2019, 13:01, edited 1 time in total.

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If this year is about preparation for next year championship assault then why is there not a single Honda powered car continuing with the Spa/Monza spec 4 to test mileage

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Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:01
If this year is about preparation for next year championship assault then why is there not a single Honda powered car continuing with the Spa/Monza spec 4 to test mileage
That depends on how you fit 9 into 7 (x2). What is your calculation and why are you sure about theirs?

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Juzh wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 12:58
verstappen's fp1 lap 1.34.544 (exhaust mic is gone :( )
Very nice. Car looks planted with very nice turn-in, complete opposite of Singapore.

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nzjrs wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:03
Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:01
If this year is about preparation for next year championship assault then why is there not a single Honda powered car continuing with the Spa/Monza spec 4 to test mileage
That depends on how you fit 9 into 7 (x2). What is your calculation and why are you sure about theirs?
Theyve run spec 3 for only 4 weekends without friday. Thats how you fit it

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Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:01
If this year is about preparation for next year championship assault then why is there not a single Honda powered car continuing with the Spa/Monza spec 4 to test mileage
And where did you come up with this gem? It was used in Singapore? They are introducing another unit this weekend and you have to use the newest unit at the session it is introduced. I fully expect the used one back in the car tomorrow.

I find it amazing people expect one Honda PU to last 9 races and then also expect people to disregard the PU usage of 7 other teams which have all exceeded their quota. But because it isn't the works team right now, it's not a problem..

I guarantee at least Bottas' will exceed allocation this year. He had to change to his second unit earlier than planned due to an issue.

Here are facts.

Mercedes, Renault, Ferrari - 2 upgrades brought this season. All teams bar works Merc and Fez have now exceed allocation due to failures on track.

Honda - 3 upgrades introduced this season, scope for a 5th (Spec 5) if the situation presents itself. No engine failures whatsoever. Up to and including Singapore, only one extra PU utilised over rivals (4 vs 3), solely due to accelerated development and introduction of said Spec 4.
Sochi, another new unit added to the pool because no manufacturer can or in their right mind run one PU for 9 races competively. This does not sacrifice any place in the constructors championship and allows them to run the PU's competitively for the remainder of the season. This was sbrought on by themselves bringing fast updates. If they'd stuck to a standard 2 update, 3 engine regime as per rules this wouldn't of been required. But again, as has been said MANY MANY times now, development at the request of RBR as well has been accelerated

It's not about Honda fanboys. It's about people clearly disregarding facts to come up with underhanded comments. Is it so hard to actually talk about the sport without the bs?

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Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:11
nzjrs wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:03
Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:01
If this year is about preparation for next year championship assault then why is there not a single Honda powered car continuing with the Spa/Monza spec 4 to test mileage
That depends on how you fit 9 into 7 (x2). What is your calculation and why are you sure about theirs?
Theyve run spec 3 for only 4 weekends without friday. Thats how you fit it
Not even your point agrees with your point. I feel like I'm in crazy town over here

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Then let me clarify for you. We have not seen a Honda engine do 7 full weekends since they entered in 2015. Why take a penalty on all 4 cars if you have spare mileage on spec3. At least 1 car could be chosen to take the Spa/Monza spec 4 to 7 full weekends.

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Alexf1 wrote:
27 Sep 2019, 13:38
Then let me clarify for you. We have not seen a Honda engine do 7 full weekends since they entered in 2015. Why take a penalty on all 4 cars if you have spare mileage on spec3. At least 1 car could be chosen to take the Spa/Monza spec 4 to 7 full weekends.
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Tell me. What's your point of view..