Mercedes-AMG F1 W10 EQ Power+

[jh199]

Ted was saying they have a new design of front heave spring, that's 'lighter'. I think softer for the kerbs, as well as quite likely less mass. But not the whole new suspension, that's still scheduled for Suzuka

From the odd video shot you manage to get - it looks like one of metal foam ones that Red Bull trialed at some point.

This is a bit off-topic (sorry mods) but can you share a link to the RB metal foams? I'd love to know more about them. I'm not quite how they would work in suspension componentry as they're normally single-use materials

[dans79]

The New spring, per Autosport.

[Sevach]

Seems like the Singapore one.

[dans79]

Seems like the Singapore one.

It is.

Sounds like they are trying to figure out how to make it work. It's the Redbull Belleville route. Most likely small and very early changes to work towards a new suspension for 2021. The Merc suspension is probably the stiffest on the grid, so they have the most work to do imo.

[zibby43]

According to AMuS, Mercedes is considering a concept change for next year.

#AMuS

"The Mercedes concept for this year was downforce at all costs but Mercedes admits to consider a concept change for 2020.

But Toto Wolff also warns and says the important thing first is to find out what Ferrari is doing with their engine."

Explains why Merc's development dropped off almost entirely post-Germany.

[Bill]

Next year the tires are changing again to make them last even longer maybe downforce at all costs will still be the way to go

[Just_a_fan]

Explains why Merc's development dropped off almost entirely post-Germany.

Not really. The engine side is entirely separate from the chassis / aero side.

[SparkyAMG]

Explains why Merc's development dropped off almost entirely post-Germany.

Not really. The engine side is entirely separate from the chassis / aero side.

If I were considering a concept change and had a ridiculous championship lead I'd certainly divert the limited CFD and wind tunnel time that I had to 2020's car at the cost of some performance relative to my competition in the second half of the season.

I'd also seriously consider whether it was worth changing concepts ahead of 2021.

[digitalrurouni]

Next year the tires are changing again to make them last even longer maybe downforce at all costs will still be the way to go

What's this about tires then?

[ENGINE TUNER]

The New spring, per Autosport.

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What are the Oval things beneath the spring?

That is the new "3rd" " heave spring" right? The two torsion springs are right below it in the two "holes"?

[Just_a_fan]

I'd also seriously consider whether it was worth changing concepts ahead of 2021.

Exactly, next year's car is going to be an evolution of this year's car. Anything they bring this year will help next year's car too to some extent.

[zibby43]

Explains why Merc's development dropped off almost entirely post-Germany.

Not really. The engine side is entirely separate from the chassis / aero side.

The quote was referring to a concept change for the chassis:

"The Mercedes concept for this year was downforce at all costs but Mercedes admits to consider a concept change for 2020."

[Just_a_fan]

Explains why Merc's development dropped off almost entirely post-Germany.

Not really. The engine side is entirely separate from the chassis / aero side.

The quote was referring to a concept change for the chassis:

"The Mercedes concept for this year was downforce at all costs but Mercedes admits to consider a concept change for 2020."

Ah, right, that makes more sense.

[zibby43]

Not really. The engine side is entirely separate from the chassis / aero side.

The quote was referring to a concept change for the chassis:

"The Mercedes concept for this year was downforce at all costs but Mercedes admits to consider a concept change for 2020."

Ah, right, that makes more sense.

Yep. I don't think Mercedes have started down a different route . . . yet.

Suzuka will be a big test for Merc and Ferrari. It is packed with the types of corners that Ferrari have struggled with at circuits like Barcelona, Paul Ricard, Silverstone, and the Hungaroring. If Ferrari suddenly goes well there, Merc may have to think about a much more efficient car for 2020.

If Merc reign supreme at Suzuka, then knowing how the W10 performed at a vast majority of the less power-sensitive tracks, I wouldn't expect a huge departure, rather an evolution of the W10 with perhaps less "dirty" downforce.

[dans79]

The quote was referring to a concept change for the chassis:

"The Mercedes concept for this year was downforce at all costs but Mercedes admits to consider a concept change for 2020."

Ah, right, that makes more sense.

Yep. I don't think Mercedes have started down a different route . . . yet.

Suzuka will be a big test for Merc and Ferrari. It is packed with the types of corners that Ferrari have struggled with at circuits like Barcelona, Paul Ricard, Silverstone, and the Hungaroring. If Ferrari suddenly goes well there, Merc may have to think about a much more efficient car for 2020.

If Merc reign supreme at Suzuka, then knowing how the W10 performed at a vast majority of the less power-sensitive tracks, I wouldn't expect a huge departure, rather an evolution of the W10 with perhaps less "dirty" downforce.

One of the things I've often wondered this season, is if it could be something as simple as gear ratios. Gear ratios are locked in for the entire season if memory serves. If Merc had runner slightly longer gears maybe they wouldn't have the strait line speed deficit to Ferrari.