2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

[Bill]

Max didn't claw back time in the corners to the contrary he lost it and blamed the wind so I reiterate the 1 seconds power deficit is bullshit the same bs that told them they will be top dog in Singapore.

[McMika98]

It's pretty simple . Ferrari cheats with more battery so no surprise here. FIA will always ignore and let Ferrari cheat . It's only qualy they get this extra illegal power.

Why cant the others do the same? Its not like Merc were cheating for last 4 years with the oil burning which is no longer in the news. Remember the days when customers complained about Mercs secret mode.
Ferrari have played a blinder. Everyone wanted them to ditch their concept for a Merc RedBull concept. Now they are equally fast if not faster on tight corners and untouchable on straights.
In S3 Leclrec almost matched Max. Redbull seem to be edgy Max mentioned that tailwind affected his S3 performance which is odd given its fairly slow speed.

[Sieper]

Max didn't claw back time in the corners to the contrary he lost it and blamed the wind so I reiterate the 1 seconds power deficit is bullshit the same bs that told them they will be top dog in Singapore.

Well


https://preview.redd.it/ym24csbdhcp31.p ... 0fa925df2d

[Sieper]

It's pretty simple . Ferrari cheats with more battery so no surprise here. FIA will always ignore and let Ferrari cheat . It's only qualy they get this extra illegal power.

Why cant the others do the same? Its not like Merc were cheating for last 4 years with the oil burning which is no longer in the news. Remember the days when customers complained about Mercs secret mode.
Ferrari have played a blinder. Everyone wanted them to ditch their concept for a Merc RedBull concept. Now they are equally fast if not faster on tight corners and untouchable on straights.
In S3 Leclrec almost matched Max. Redbull seem to be edgy Max mentioned that tailwind affected his S3 performance which is odd given its fairly slow speed.

It is not so odd, their edge is in the rake (and having the nose really “on the Floor”) optimizing the diffusor. But you need smooth asphalt and no wind gusts to disrupt that. Without these factors the main pluspoint of the RBR chassis is negated easily.

[Jambier]

OK, can we have Hulk in the team now? Thanks

I agree.
Red Bull is too much stubborn.
They really need to avoid lying to themselves like McLaren did the past years.

So they want to be world champion? They have to be realistic:

- Not winning those past years was not only down to Renault
- Having ONLY drivers from their program, will not allow them to be champions
- HUL would be a very good choice with max
- They are a bit behind on chassis' side, like other years
- They also have to understand they will have to use 3 engine a year to be champions

It seems that it is always the same story.
A racing team, with good strategy, but bad driver management, only winning a few victory every years by trying to be clever on some races.

I think they definitely should change some mindset.
Focus on being ready for 2021, new car, with 3 engine a year, and a steady line up with Max and Hulk

[Sieper]

They are already hard at work in investing in running with 3 engines next year.

[jz11]

verstappen's Q3 lap 1.32.310 (P4)
https://streamable.com/khkyq


vs leclerc - rough estimate using frame by frame verstappen lost 0.6s on the 3 longest full throttle sections, main straight, long left hander and the back straight. Around 1s deficit over the entire lap seems plausible, keep in my he's getting better exists almost every corner

https://streamable.com/k15br

awesome work on the videos

a bit off topic, and not sure how relevant it is in general (because the conclusions I draw are highly dependent on how accurate the telemetry really is), but if you watch closely how LeClerk is managing throttle compared to Verstappen, he rarely goes 0%, and it seems he is overlapping quite a bit more than Verstappen, overall seems to have around +3~5kph on Verstappen at every apex, combine that with higher top speed it suggests to me that RB still don't have enough power to be able to bolt on as much downforce as they would like, not as bad as in Renault era, less DF would also make it harder to manage tire temps, might be that they need to do this via suspension more aggressively than they would like, which would then mean more rolling resistance and less top speed again

if it was any other team, we could talk about the inefficiencies of the aero package causing this, but doubtful it would be the case with RB

p.s. and on another note, I noticed that commentators down talked Albon quite a lot, and I see same comments here on the forum as well, the guy clearly is A LOT better than Gasly was in this car, has had what - less than a handful on races in this car while being a rookie in F1 in general, yet people already talk him as a failure because of 1 not a great weekend? lack of patience is quite astonishing...

[Bill]

Redbull are too dependent on Newey but he is not fully committed he has other hobbies with 2021 rules being too restrictive maybe he may no longer want to be part of f1 maybe Rbr should start planning for a world without their star designer and have clear direction , without Max their car is bang midfield

[McMika98]

OK, can we have Hulk in the team now? Thanks

I agree.
Red Bull is too much stubborn.

- HUL would be a very good choice with max
Focus on being ready for 2021, new car, with 3 engine a year, and a steady line up with Max and Hulk

Hulk isnt anywhere near as good as Ric who was few tenths behind Max on quali. He would be struggling withthis car regardless. Max crashed on the same area in FP3 so chances are any other driver would have similar fate. Albon has been close to Max on race pace.

[KelsO]

No it's not plausible unless you can't do basic arithmetic Max qualified is 0.6 from pole

Lost 1s on straights, gained 0.3s trough corners, end result ~0.7s off pole. Pretty simple, unless you can do basic arithmetic.

Bill is right. I looked carefully at all the turns, Max lost somewhere, won somewhere. Max won nothing in the corners of the Ferrari.
    This diagram of the best segments provided by the Sieper clearly shows that the best chassis is still with Mercedes, as I expected.
     Yes Ferrari is faster on a straight line, but only 6-7 tenths. 6-7 tenths in Sochi is 20-25 hp Sochi is one of the most powerful tracks. In the past, Red Bull has always had a giant lag.
    As Binotto said the announcement of 55 hp not true, it’s just half that figure. If Ferrari was faster by 1 second on straight lines, then considering that Mercedes Renault and Honda are approximately equal, Vettel would lose seconds with any of these engines and show the time as Sainz. But this is ridiculous, I remember how Marco said in Monaco that they lose 4 tenths in the first sector because of the engine, but telemetry showed that they lost them in the corners. I don’t know why they say it. Red Bull needs to work harder, they promised to compensate 20hp, but did not do it, Honda fulfilled all that she promised.

[Bill]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

[KelsO]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

it is clearly visible in the video. Why claim 1 second if that's not true? I do not understand such games.

[SmallSoldier]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

It’s not about only the sector time... It’s the amount of time gain/lost on every straight... RBR recovers a portion of that 1 second in braking zones and turns... They have the GPS and Telemetry data to determine the amount of time lost.


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[Karim28]

I think RB lost some downforce in S3 to reduce the gap in S1&S2.
It's still nonsense for me depending only on sectors times.
Honda have a lot to do , they make big steps but the others bigger.
They have to find something special to cempete Fer&Merc unless even if in 2021 they wouldn't be anywhere closer.
Also RB management should think for the sake of their team . Alonso or Hülk are massively better than Albon ,Gasly or anyone realted to them right now.

[KelsO]

https://i.imgur.com/89rk9yO.png Max lost 2 tenth in sector 3 & 4 tenth in sector 1& 2 not 1 second

It’s not about only the sector time... It’s the amount of time gain/lost on every straight... RBR recovers a portion of that 1 second in braking zones and turns... They have the GPS and Telemetry data to determine the amount of time lost.


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It is not true. Only Mercedes won time in the corners. I did not see Red Bull being faster at the apex or exit, I do not have telemetry to see exactly if they were faster at braking, but I doubt it. 1 second is just a silly fantasy.