Montexemola wants new points system

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Montezemola is now complaining about the points system and saying that Felipe "won" more races. I keep hearing from them that Massa won six races to Hamilton's five. That is what the record books will read but I still know that Spa was stolen from Lewis and awarded to Felipe. I think it is very cheeky to keep referring to Spa as a win and then to use that as a pretext for changes is even more wrongheaded. Uggh.
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Hey, anytime Monty opens his mouth, it is to further the interests of Ferrari. Period.

This is a man with a specific agenda, and receives his "salary" from Ferrari. He does not speak for FOCA, the FIA, and most certainly he does not represent the fans.
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I agree with you 100%, but a rule change ensuring that the driver with the most wins also wins the WDC would be a good thing in my eyes.

Senna had 6 wins in 1989 to Prosts 4 and didnt win the WDC, and I'm still mad about it.

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My personal opinion, yes, wins should have a reward of more value. Personally I'd like to see the points system as 12,8,6,5,4,3,2,1.
But I sincerely believe that if the situation was reversed and a Ferrari driver with less wins won the title, Monty would not say a peep.
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1000 points for a win(no way the winningest driver wont get WDC)
250 for second
50 for third
points down to last place, I want to see hard racing throughout the field
points for pole, fast lap, most laps led, & most cars passed on track

same points system for WCC as well

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I think that perhaps an extra point or two could be added for a win - but that there should be a balance between wins and consistency. A driver who managed podium-finishes throughout the season should have just as much of a shot at the championship as the one who won six races and didn't finish in the rest.

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DaveKillens wrote:My personal opinion, yes, wins should have a reward of more value. Personally I'd like to see the points system as 12,8,6,5,4,3,2,1.
But I sincerely believe that if the situation was reversed and a Ferrari driver with less wins won the title, Monty would not say a peep.
I second that. I'd also introduce a totally different scoring system for the WCC with top 16 cars getting points. That would encourage more battles at the back till the checkered flag.

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Metar wrote:I think that perhaps an extra point or two could be added for a win - but that there should be a balance between wins and consistency. A driver who managed podium-finishes throughout the season should have just as much of a shot at the championship as the one who won six races and didn't finish in the rest.

20 2nd places equals 5000 points in my system... 6 wins would equal 6000... but when has there ever been a driver that won 6 races and didnt finish any other? A system based on extreme occurance is not ideal... thats how we got to where we are now with only 2 pt difference between a win & 2nd... becuz MS won the first 12 of the first 13 races, but honestly how often does that happen?

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ISLAMATRON wrote:but when has there ever been a driver that won 6 races and didnt finish any other?
Have a look at Villeneuve's 1997 season. It was pretty close to what you mention.
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That many points would be silly - I think whatever system F1 adopts, the maximum points should be around 12-16, even 20 seems a lot.

And for that matter, it doesn't have to be an extreme case - my whole idea was that with decent points for the whole field, we won't have championship runaways, and will also reward the consistent. At the moment, the difference between alternating wins and 3rd places or finishing always 2nd is only on countback - and apart from a perhaps higher reward for a win, I don't think that has to change. Consistently finishing near the top is just as important as winning.

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Isn't the point of current point system to have a more open Championship.
If their is a large difference between first and second that the winner would be decided much earlier and that's boring.

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That's a very good point fenix4life. Although I personally prefer a different reward system, you must admit the last two seasons have been battles to the very last race, and then some. It's something the organizers want, and I believe the fans enjoy it too. Imagine, this year's WDC decided after the checkered flag flew.. who woulda guessed? =D>
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Of course Montezemolo works for Ferrari's best interests. Surely that does not surprise or offend anyone?

It is often said that the previous system (9-6-4-3-2-1) was changed to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 in order to make it more difficult for Ferrari and Schumacher . . . .

I vote for the old 9-6 system, though 12-8-6 works for me, too.

Oh, and Spa: the record books will say Massa, whether we like it or not. Let's build our edifice of bias (and I have mine!) on a foundation of reality.
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donskar wrote:Of course Montezemolo works for Ferrari's best interests. Surely that does not surprise or offend anyone?

It is often said that the previous system (9-6-4-3-2-1) was changed to 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 in order to make it more difficult for Ferrari and Schumacher . . . .

I vote for the old 9-6 system, though 12-8-6 works for me, too.

Oh, and Spa: the record books will say Massa, whether we like it or not. Let's build our edifice of bias (and I have mine!) on a foundation of reality.
Actually, previous system was 10-6-4-3-2-1. 9-6-4-3-2-1 was before that, also not all results were count (I believe only 11 best finishes). Can anyone of the old fans enlighten me on why that system was abandoned? I guess maybe because of controversy of 1988 when Prost had more points than Senna but the sum of best results was lower.

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Montezemolo may say that the record books will show Felipe won more races, and he's right, the blinkered fool neglects to mention that the record books will also show Hamilton as having scored more points.

Regardless of the points system it has always been, and will always be, that the guy with the most points wins it. (Yes I know about 1988 - Effectivly though, Senna - after selecting the best results - had more points)

Personally I like the new system, I always thought 10-6-4-3-2-1 was a bit too biased towards race wins, wins aren't everything. In football you don't win a league just by winning some games, you have to perform consistently, in tennis or golf you don't become ranked number one by getting a couple of HUGE wins, you do it through consistently finishing well.

A sport that encouraces nothing more than flashes of brilliace isn't really a sport in my eyes. The guys still want wins (it gives more points) but whats the point in driving like crazy for 4points insted of 2 if when doing so your engine turns into a hand grenade?

In 1981 Keke Rosberg won the championship having scored only ONE win...it was consistency that won the day (even with a system that is biased towards race wins). In 1992 Nigel Mansell won it having won 9 races on the trot.

The point is, either way you want, you have to be consistent. Race wins are not, and probably will not be everything, unless the points are more like 20-10-8-6-4-3-2-1, but that would ruin the sport because lower points positions would be rendered inadequate, so nobody would give a damn.

Personally I think the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system is brillaint, yes you can argue that Felipe might have won if it was the old system, but its not the old system, and thay all have the same rules to play with, so its not unfair to anybody. If Felipe was good enough this year to win it he would have, he missed JUST. And thats a pity. Even if the old system was used, who to say that Mclaren & Ferrari (and the rest) would have run the same race strategies? It COULD be that had the old system been used we'd have had exactly the same result.

To look at results which have been determined by running to 2008 sepc rules, then say NOW WITH HINDSIGHT lets apply 1998 spec rules is silly, as if those old rules had been used the season would not have panned out the same way on track, some would have been more agressive in quali, or the race and soome may have been less agressive so as not to fall from the lead of the race.

I like the 10-8-6-5-4-3-2-1 system we have now because it means that a string of wins in the mid season does not mean you get the title, you have to fight to the end. Who wants a title wrapped up by July? Nobody (except the driver who wraps it up by July of course lol!)

Old system or new, the man who performs the best within that set of rules will always win. What if's mean nothing, "What if they were allowed Turbo's" well they're not so who cares? lol...my point is, is that Formula One is exactly that, a set of rules that make it F1, the F1 world champion is the champion of F1, not the champion of Le Mans, or ALMS, or ChampCar, or IRL, or F3.

If the rules were different It would still be F1, just a slightly different F1, in which case maybe a different driver would win, but then again maybe not.

eg. In 1988 Senna won, we had turbos, he drove turbo cars well. In 1989 we didn't have turbos, he still won.

In short, the guy who plays the game best always wins. If the game merits consistency, the most consistent win, if it merits win, the one with the most victories wins. But the guy who plays it best, always wins.

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P.S: Sorry it took so long! :oops:
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