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The Williams F1 Team have today confirmed that Paddy Lowe, its former technical chief will leave the team after having been made inactive several months ago.
oh yes, why did I think they don't?
anyway here's Lewis in 2017 talking through his lap and the adjustments he's making
now let's take this in concideration.The contract with Williams has been signed for the whole F1 racing season and is strictly related to Robert Kubica’s participation in F1. It also provides for an option to extend its term for another year.”
PKN Orlen would not be drawn on any further specifics of Kubica’s deal, only instead saying that the financing from them comes with ‘obligations’ from Williams.
The statement continued: “The contract precisely defines the terms of financing and the obligations of Williams.
“However, since its contents are protected by a confidentiality clause, we are not in a position to disclose any details.”
As for sabotaging Kubica, it's a clear example.Robert Kubica's sponsor has questioned the reason given by the Williams Formula 1 team for the Pole's retirement from the Russian Grand Prix.
in its post-race press release the team clarified that the stoppage was not due to safety reasons, but to save parts
Following the retirement of Robert Kubica from Sunday's Russian GP, we have officially asked the ROKiT Williams Racing team for an explanation. Based on that we will take steps to enforce contractual obligations."
You had a few typos. Don't feel guilty. I don't mind it at all.
Im not sure this is a 'clear' example... However the fact they are only getting him the wheel now is disappointing, but thinking clearly- if the team knew that getting a 150K wheel would help Kubica go 0.5 seconds quicker or whatever- then surely they would have done that. Because that is cheap money for that kind of pace from a driver.. way way cheaper than trying to do aero.Manoah2u wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 16:52Some earlier reports about Kubica @ Williams when there was speculation they'd terminate their deal early with Williams (July 2019)
now let's take this in concideration.The contract with Williams has been signed for the whole F1 racing season and is strictly related to Robert Kubica’s participation in F1. It also provides for an option to extend its term for another year.”
PKN Orlen would not be drawn on any further specifics of Kubica’s deal, only instead saying that the financing from them comes with ‘obligations’ from Williams.
The statement continued: “The contract precisely defines the terms of financing and the obligations of Williams.
“However, since its contents are protected by a confidentiality clause, we are not in a position to disclose any details.”
https://www.motorsport.com/f1/news/spon ... t/4551931/
As for sabotaging Kubica, it's a clear example.Robert Kubica's sponsor has questioned the reason given by the Williams Formula 1 team for the Pole's retirement from the Russian Grand Prix.
in its post-race press release the team clarified that the stoppage was not due to safety reasons, but to save parts
Following the retirement of Robert Kubica from Sunday's Russian GP, we have officially asked the ROKiT Williams Racing team for an explanation. Based on that we will take steps to enforce contractual obligations."
Russell gets the goodies, Kubica doesn't. Kubica has to retire his car so that Russell can get his parts.
It's insulting to the bone.
and as for different material, and russell getting the better treatment, that has been going on since race 1.
there's a claim that Kubica was denied updated parts because Williams supposedly lacked the funds due to them needing to provide an altered steering wheel for Kubica to better operate the car.
Now offcourse a steering wheel today is pretty sophisticated, but if it's really true that Williams lacked funds to do both, then that's not just alarming, it's sirens being heard. Renault for example did just that for JUST a test session for Kubica, and Williams can't finance a steering wheel and handing in new parts for Robert?
Also if you concider that they decide to spare parts for the overseas final stint for the 2019 season, then dear god,
they must be in absolute dismal shape.
There was a time during the early part of the season where i thought Williams found a better road, especially with Patrick Head stepping back in, but i must conclude now that even that didn't help a thing and that we are facing the claim i made at the start: that this team won't make the final race.
Even though i find that to be unlikely, fact is by now, big questions are raised.
After all, let's be fair here: if their future isn't in clouds and doubt, and they will be having a 2020 competitor,
then why park Kubica's car in Russia, and be saving parts for the final races in 2019?
Williams is losing PKN Orlen for 2020, and who is gonna replace that? They lost Stroll money, now Kubica money.
don't they wake up? They're worse than in 2018, and 2020 can only be worse, the guy to replace Kubica must bring in atleast triple what Kubica brings in sponsorwise, as the fact is kubica/orlen's money doesn't do.
And that's also concidering Rokit stays. How much did Rokit bring them? and are they going to continue into 2020?
Whatever Rokit brought, is not enough. And i doubt they are happy to pay more, after sponsoring a team all the way at the back of the field.
And mind you, again, that is a sponsor that was only hastely chosen because Haas robbed RICH ENERGY from them.
I think it's doubtfull Rich Energy will come back to sponsor Williams, after their disappointment with Haas, but even then, if they'd even remotely have interest in coming back to F1, then i also wonder in which format? Lightning Volt? Rich?
If Williams' situation looks brighter for 2020 than this season, then we would have read and heard about that. We haven't, and they are struggling to participate in the final races. That means there is no big new sponsor coming up.
There is no big paying driver coming for 2020 to fill in the Kubica gap. And there is no sponsor present, either staying or replacing, that is bringing enough finances for Williams to say that they're approaching the end of 2019 with their losses and focus for 2020 which will be a lot better.
As for the Latifi claims, yeah, let's realise some stuff too, and that is that even if the guy will get superlicense points, who's to say they're actually going for Williams, in the way they're in right now?
Hell, i'd actually expect Latifi's money (which is like Stroll money) to go to Haas instead, with a 2020 reserve driver role and a 2021 race role.
Who with their sane minds would concider Williams right now?
Even Sirotkin needs to be given a question mark. Would they want to return to Williams after getting ditched? And obviously not bringing enough money either for Williams to improve but instead sink further away?
To be honest, I can see this ending in one scenario:
Williams is going to fold UNLESS something drastic is going to happen. And that hasn't happened yet and arguably is not going to happen. SO, Williams IS going to fold. Only then to be saved in a sort of 'Racing Point' scenario; and i can actually see Toto Wolff stepping in 'again' buying into the team and make some changes, where we will finally see that Claire will be relieved of Duty, Frank will be honored in a role more or less like Lauda had, and only Patrick Head will temporarily remain. Wolff then will turn Williams into some sort of B-team and flow Mercedes personell and knowledge there. Some sponsors will be arranged, Russell will stay, and some other driver will be placed. Williams will be re-structured and refreshed in the coming 3 years and then when they're in a much better position, Toto will once again sell his stake in the team, or, the time will come where he will leave AMG and go on fully with Williams, who knows.
But what i'm saying is, Williams' only saving can be what happened with ForceIndia/Racing Point. If not, then it's Williams out of F1, no doubt. Whether they then participate in Formula E or something else, the future will show.
yes Williams-Renault would be good wouldn't it. it'd fit in with Mercedes supplying McLaren too. But Frank has to get real and just sell, it's an old-fashioned team run in an old-fashioned way and that doesn't work any more, these days teams are too big and complicated and it's all about communication and cooperation, as in Mattia, Toto and Christian. Frank is 77 and not in great health and he won't let go, awesome tough guy, but eventually he has to. It was the same with Ron - they were of their era and now it's a new eraPowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 17:33In answer to the other posts on here.. The solution for Williams is Clear... Renault.
Yes they would have to sacrifice the MERC engine and link up they have... but if Renault gave them and engine for Free in return for a strategic partnership then it will allow Williams to survive..
They could pool Aero and other data like Honda have done to great effect this year .
As long as they dont become a poor relation to Renault, id be ok with that.
After all.. Williams Renault... what did they ever achieve...
First of all, as of now, Williams haven't done the wheel that Robert has been asking for. I remember that a full wheel's cost has been estimated at 50k €. Assuming that redirecting switches cost as much in design time (lol), that's peanuts in F1 scale.PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 17:33
Im not sure this is a 'clear' example... However the fact they are only getting him the wheel now is disappointing, but thinking clearly- if the team knew that getting a 150K wheel would help Kubica go 0.5 seconds quicker or whatever- then surely they would have done that. Because that is cheap money for that kind of pace from a driver.. way way cheaper than trying to do aero.
id need to physically hear evidence that they are somehow hampering him.. Like in the races if they were giving first choice to Russell at every race on stops.. we saw that once from Ferrari and LeClerc blew up over it.. Im sure we would have heard Kubica complain and the Sky f1 team report the story. I dont think ive heard ANY F1 news agency carry a story - other than a few comments from the driver himself. The risk to williams if they were would be too damaging and unsporting.
Also the fact that Williams were getting new Merc Engines in Spa (even though it blew up) would suggest that budget wise they aren't mega short of cash, although they are probably on a pay as you go engine deal.. i assume.
In answer to the other posts on here.. The solution for Williams is Clear... Renault.
Yes they would have to sacrifice the MERC engine and link up they have... but if Renault gave them and engine for Free in return for a strategic partnership then it will allow Williams to survive..
They could pool Aero and other data like Honda have done to great effect this year .
As long as they dont become a poor relation to Renault, id be ok with that.
After all.. Williams Renault... what did they ever achieve...
I agree the Wheel thing is really disappointing especially if for 50K they could have moved switches around.netoperek wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 19:42First of all, as of now, Williams haven't done the wheel that Robert has been asking for. I remember that a full wheel's cost has been estimated at 50k €. Assuming that redirecting switches cost as much in design time (lol), that's peanuts in F1 scale.PowerandtheGlory wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 17:33
Im not sure this is a 'clear' example... However the fact they are only getting him the wheel now is disappointing, but thinking clearly- if the team knew that getting a 150K wheel would help Kubica go 0.5 seconds quicker or whatever- then surely they would have done that. Because that is cheap money for that kind of pace from a driver.. way way cheaper than trying to do aero.
id need to physically hear evidence that they are somehow hampering him.. Like in the races if they were giving first choice to Russell at every race on stops.. we saw that once from Ferrari and LeClerc blew up over it.. Im sure we would have heard Kubica complain and the Sky f1 team report the story. I dont think ive heard ANY F1 news agency carry a story - other than a few comments from the driver himself. The risk to williams if they were would be too damaging and unsporting.
Also the fact that Williams were getting new Merc Engines in Spa (even though it blew up) would suggest that budget wise they aren't mega short of cash, although they are probably on a pay as you go engine deal.. i assume.
In answer to the other posts on here.. The solution for Williams is Clear... Renault.
Yes they would have to sacrifice the MERC engine and link up they have... but if Renault gave them and engine for Free in return for a strategic partnership then it will allow Williams to survive..
They could pool Aero and other data like Honda have done to great effect this year .
As long as they dont become a poor relation to Renault, id be ok with that.
After all.. Williams Renault... what did they ever achieve...
What about famous “I thought the driver who is in front gets priority over who is behind?” “Copy that, we’ll check when you get back here.” in Monaco? It has been in highlights on official F1 site. Robert has been faster whole weekend there. If You look at strategy, Russel actually gets a proper care in this department, like for example pits planned to avoid time lost on blue flags, while Robert had few early pits when he was gaining on Russel, pits directly after the wave of blue flags, very long stints to slow down opponents George had slightest chance to fight with, etc. If You look deeper, You'll see engine modes change and lift and coast when Robert is threatening Russel in most of the races this season. Paul Williams isn't doing a great job at all to be honest. If You haven't heard anything in media, means You haven't been listening carefully, though Williams aren't very interesting topic in mainstream. There are however few instances where reporters have digged enough to even expose Williams lies in official statements, like investigation whether both Williams cars have same engine. Williams were full on with same equipment, same threatment song at the time. Now they admitted that actually even after engine blow up at spa, Robert still got OLD specs.
Eh? Ten years? Def less..... Williams's last race win was in 2012 with a Renault Engine................ before a switch to Merc when Toto bought his shares...Manoah2u wrote: ↑10 Oct 2019, 18:37Williams gets a huge discount from Mercedes for their engines due to having Russell in there. They don't pay extra for a fresh engine, they just get it. Its in Merc's benefit too to get all the data they can get their hands on for development.
Renault isn't gonna be a solution, they already signed a contract with Mercedes for the coming years. That surely will mean Russell has a seat for the coming years or any other Mercedes protegé.
Also Williams Renault was a combination just about ten years ago or less, and it failed quite hard.
Thanks for an interesting read, would be great to hear some more anectodes from the pit wall
