Do all teams keep the drivers trophies like McLaren?

[West]

Wow,

I can't believe how many "sportsmen" on this thread don't have a problem with this. I think that I would have a sick stomach walking up to a driver that just risked his life piloting a 800hp go-kart around Monte Carlo at 150+mph for 72 laps, and snatching his trophy.

I guess just a "token" replica would be more disrespectful than appreciative since the drivers alone risk their lives on their trust for their team. I would think that defying the laws of physics and surviving to be number one would be worth the trophies that world watched get presented to you on the podium.

This is for real like finding out wrestling was fake to me. I am devastated at the core being such a cold metalic structure.

Wrestling's fake? Absurd.



I would love to have 1st win titles and driver's titles; that's about it. Everything else is just routine.

[sebbe]

Let me tell you something about those drivers you seem to idealize, Conceptual; they are there for the money and the glory. They are just glorified taxi drivers!
It's the money and the thrill that drives them, they are as selfish as you and me or Ron or Bernie.
So, if you have to resign the original trophies to race a McLaren, you either do it or go and race another car. Nobody pointed a gun to Lewis' head and forced him to leave the trophies.
Why is it that important if a crappy Chinese GP trophy disintegrates in the hands of Lewis DURING the ceremony?

[Conceptual]

Let me tell you something about those drivers you seem to idealize, Conceptual; they are there for the money and the glory. They are just glorified taxi drivers!
It's the money and the thrill that drives them, they are as selfish as you and me or Ron or Bernie.
So, if you have to resign the original trophies to race a McLaren, you either do it or go and race another car. Nobody pointed a gun to Lewis' head and forced him to leave the trophies.
Why is it that important if a crappy Chinese GP trophy disintegrates in the hands of Lewis DURING the ceremony?

If I were a team principal, I would do it differently is all.

But, then again, money is the least powerful motivator in life to me.

[donskar]

Sigh . . .

I sure do miss F1.

Let's have some off-season testing!

[Scuderia_Russ]

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Wrestling's fake? Absurd.



I would love to have 1st win titles and driver's titles; that's about it. Everything else is just routine.

That is a 10/10 on the lololometer!

[Ciro Pabón]

I don't think we're dealing with taxi drivers. On the other hand, Sebbe has a point: since Olympic horse races, the owner of the car has rights over the laurels.

C'mon, guys, I hope you cheer up a little about drivers. Why don't you check this video to lighten up a bit the criticisms? Notice how the little guy polishes the McLaren logo... Around 2:40 starts one of the best races I've seen.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xDgpS4kx88s[/youtube]

This one is nice to watch, too, two laps from the end, seventh position and he goes to win.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-1ysjoxN2xM[/youtube]

Every time you're angry about F1, why don't you drop by your local kart track?

[shotzski]

Oh man! I have to say, these kids were brutal! Now I understand why Lewis is driving like he does in F1. He's been totally groomed since 8yrs old. He drives like a pro back then. Not to forget his so called confidence: It's already there in him
Nice videos Ciro!

[WhiteBlue]

reminds me of Michael Schumacher with his love for carts. he still does it. the difference though to Hamilton is the mechanical side. Hamilton always had his dad sort it for him. Michael was an apprentice mechanic then and did a lot of work on his cart by himself. but starting early with carts seems as essential as the sponsorship that Hamilton enjoyed.

[Spencifer_Murphy]

Great vids ciro thanks for posting them.

On the topic:

Wow,

I can't believe how many "sportsmen" on this thread don't have a problem with this...

One of the greatest sportsmen of the 20th century (in fact BBC's Sports Personality of the Century) is Muhammad Ali. There is dispute about the truth of this story but it conveys the point across well:

After winning the Gold medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome that year, Muhammad Ali (then Cassius M. Clay) went to a resturant to eat, upon arriving he was told that this was a "white only" establishment and, gold medal for his country or not, he wasn't welcome.

Needless to say this disgusted him. Wondering how on earth this so-called "centre of the free world" could parade him as a national hero for winning the gold medal but then deny him the oppertunity to eat with his fellow countymen based soley on the colour of his skin, Ali threw his gold medal into a river.

Like I said many believe this story not to be true but I guess you get the point. Another story, told in the movie "Ali" tells of how Drew "Bundini" Brown, a close friend of Ali's, SOLD his world title belt. Ali - frurious at the time - later forgave Bundini.

The point is that the history books will read what the man achieved. The medal/trophie/belt won for that achievement is nothing more than a symbol of that victory, and no matter if somebody takes the symbol away from you, that fact you achieved it fair & square can never be taken away. History cannot be rubbed out.

I understand your displeasure about this trophie business, but the drivers have the choice to sign for Mclaren & live by those rules and - as Lewis has shown - they can argue for a bit of leighway. But the drivers who sign for mclaren will be well aware that, trophie or not, they are putting themselves in with a chance to takes wins (plural), and maybe a title or more. And that, when your a true sportsman, is all that matters.

I never got many trophies for my atheltic achievements in school, but the fact of the matter is I won a helluva lot of races, and at one time held the record for my year over 1500m (it could still be standing but I havent gone back to check in over 4 years!) and to me, thats all that matters. Trophies would be nice, but nobody can take away what I achieved.

[Conceptual]

Great vids ciro thanks for posting them.

On the topic:

Wow,

I can't believe how many "sportsmen" on this thread don't have a problem with this...

One of the greatest sportsmen of the 20th century (in fact BBC's Sports Personality of the Century) is Muhammad Ali. There is dispute about the truth of this story but it conveys the point across well:

After winning the Gold medal at the 1960 Olympic Games in Rome that year, Muhammad Ali (then Cassius M. Clay) went to a resturant to eat, upon arriving he was told that this was a "white only" establishment and, gold medal for his country or not, he wasn't welcome.

Needless to say this disgusted him. Wondering how on earth this so-called "centre of the free world" could parade him as a national hero for winning the gold medal but then deny him the oppertunity to eat with his fellow countymen based soley on the colour of his skin, Ali threw his gold medal into a river.

Like I said many believe this story not to be true but I guess you get the point. Another story, told in the movie "Ali" tells of how Drew "Bundini" Brown, a close friend of Ali's, SOLD his world title belt. Ali - frurious at the time - later forgave Bundini.

The point is that the history books will read what the man achieved. The medal/trophie/belt won for that achievement is nothing more than a symbol of that victory, and no matter if somebody takes the symbol away from you, that fact you achieved it fair & square can never be taken away. History cannot be rubbed out.

I understand your displeasure about this trophie business, but the drivers have the choice to sign for Mclaren & live by those rules and - as Lewis has shown - they can argue for a bit of leighway. But the drivers who sign for mclaren will be well aware that, trophie or not, they are putting themselves in with a chance to takes wins (plural), and maybe a title or more. And that, when your a true sportsman, is all that matters.

I never got many trophies for my atheltic achievements in school, but the fact of the matter is I won a helluva lot of races, and at one time held the record for my year over 1500m (it could still be standing but I havent gone back to check in over 4 years!) and to me, thats all that matters. Trophies would be nice, but nobody can take away what I achieved.

Maybe I just have a deeper moral code that dictates that extorsion by contract is still extorsion. You are right, these drivers are given the choice, but teams shouldn't prey on a drivers desire to drive in a top car, and force these consessions.

I believe intentional cruelty to be the worst of all human behavior, but leveraged extorsion has got to rank in the top 5...

Neo-Tech Advantages. Read them if you can find them.

Found Them. Worth the time to read.

http://web.archive.org/web/200306080721 ... dvantages/

[DaveKillens]

I'm aware that Lewis made a "deal" with Dennis on keeeping his "first" trophies.. but do we know all the details? I suggest that there may have been other conditions .. such as Lewis keeps the original, but must supply a valid copy to McLaren. Who knows, maybe that's what really happened.

On a slightly tangental topic... has anyone else ever noticed that the NASCAR Nextel Cup Trophy seems to resemble ... cough cough .. female genitalia?

[WhiteBlue]

My respect goes to Spencifer_Murphy for the elegant phrases but at the core I agree with Conceptual. There is no justification for a team taking by extortion what belongs to the driver. After all the team gets a trophy for every win a driver takes. I believe the ongoing practise speaks volumes about the ego of the man who did this for such a long time. Perhaps Martin Whitmarsh will make changes in time when he takes over the helm. It certainly will improve McLaren's reputation if he does.

[DaveKillens]

But when big buck sponspors (or potential sponsors) are given a tour of the organization's complex, there wouldn't be any trophies on display? Impressing a sponsor is very important in F1, witness the huge hospitality areas set up for each race.

[WhiteBlue]

If I were a sponsor I would be impressed by the constructor trophies McLaren has amassed. And a drivers cup copy would be sufficient for the purose of impressing some money men. They can't see the difference and keep their Van Goghs and Picassos always in the vault while they exhibit copies in their offices.