2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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TNTHead wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 22:28
Agreed. I weekend to forget. Not materialising on a dominant pole is this time Max to blame. Coincidence or not after Albon stepped in beside him (and horror crash in F2 in Belgium) he seems less focused, or more prone to errors. Too many first lap incidents.
Thought this as well, Max seemed much more at home with Gasly as teammate. Collectively both cars are bringing in points but Max is being outscored trying too hard on the first lap. Red Bull Honda should have had three more wins this season and they've squandered their chances.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 23:04
Shame that Sainz battled Albon with a nonsense agressive way, maybe he could've ended near the top guys. At least it was a solid race for him. Max recovery was great, just to show him that he could win the race only with more calm moves... #-o
This team needs a kicking. So Max does everything to not start in the front and then loses it on the first few corners.
Albon was comfortable in P3 minding the gap to Vettel and ahead of Hamilton. Then they pit him so early for no reason only for him to fall behind Sainz who was on used soft tyres lapping second slower than the front teams. I mean wtf were they thinking. Whats incredible is that they had Max on hards so data to say one stop could work. Absolute shambles.

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And COTA I think it's not a good track for us. So we've 0 chances of winning another race now :cry:

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In a season where performance has been problematic, it's such a shame to waste it when it's there.

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Going almost off on a month summer break and some engine penalties have been a distraction it lost him momentum the first half he was peerless.i think the sooner these crap ends the better it started off with these stupid front now they want reverse grid , fans ant getting value for money

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Bill wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 23:36
Going almost off on a month summer break and some engine penalties have been a distraction it lost him momentum the first half he was peerless.i think the sooner these crap ends the better it started off with these stupid front now they want reverse grid , fans ant getting value for money
I think he was very calm and prudent when he knew that he could not fight for victory. But when victory becomes possible he loses control and composure.

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It reminds me of Monaco 2018, his moment where he crashed in FP3, also a weekend where all ingredients were there to materialise.

I think it also may be a pressure issue, second half not going well, unfortunate take out in lap1 Suzuka, so pressure to deliver is increasing. That may well be the reason Max was too focused on delivering that slowing down in the last corner during second Q3 try was not in his mode of operation at that moment. To keep after his grid penalty 100% focused is extremely difficult.

He is still a youngster, lets not forget that. Another moment to learn hard lessons.

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KelsO wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 23:39
I think he was very calm and prudent when he knew that he could not fight for victory. But when victory becomes possible he loses control and composure.
his race engineer asked him to wait after a rushed attempt on Bottas in Austria ,well talent comes with a price ..he'll get there...
its good there is race next Sunday after this shamble and i still wondering what i can take from Albon raw pace.
para bellum.

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Albon is going to school Max next year at this rate. Behind all that giggly and reserved face is a beast of a driver. He deserved a podium today.

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"Every driver is slightly different, some are smarter, some are very smart aggressive, some are silly with it, through those experiences with racing with people you give some more space than others. But yeah, Max, it's very likely you'll come together with Max if you don't give him extra space," Hamilton said.

"Most of the time you do. In my experience, I didn't have extra space to give him extra space but I don't think it was intentional. Nonetheless, I managed to keep the car in a straight line."

The press attention then turned to Vettel who came 2nd in the Mexican Grand Prix. He was asked if he gives Verstappen extra space. He directly said "copy and paste [Hamilton's answer]

https://www.gpblog.com/en/news/48813/ha ... ed-content

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It will always be an uphill battle for Max to win a title if he insists on cutting it so close. No matter how fast his car is.

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FIA has always helped ferrar but they also help Lewis. Max believes Lewis should have got a penalty because he did not lift but he didn't. It show the FIA favouritism to Ferrari and Lewis. I remember Lewis crossing the pitlane line a few years ago in Germany but no penalty, in rain . Different rules for different teams is just sad

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gokarter wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 03:55
FIA has always helped ferrar but they also help Lewis. Max believes Lewis should have got a penalty because he did not lift but he didn't. It show the FIA favouritism to Ferrari and Lewis. I remember Lewis crossing the pitlane line a few years ago in Germany but no penalty, in rain . Different rules for different teams is just sad
Funny I think it's the opposite. I think since RBR can't or will not keep Max in line that he should have been penalized more. I also think that FIA have been very accurate with their penalties of Ferrari. Their timing could have been better.

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Marti_EF3 wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 23:04
Shame that Sainz battled Albon with a nonsense agressive way, maybe he could've ended near the top guys. At least it was a solid race for him. Max recovery was great, just to show him that he could win the race only with more calm moves... #-o
A one stop for Albon with a slightly longer first stint could of had him right up there. The hard proved to work quite well with Max. He started losing pace after 50-55 laps on it. When ALbon did get on the hards, he had great pace, right up there with the big boys, so he could of had a neat shot with a well timed one stop to the hards instead of a two stop med>med>hard

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Max have having good starts in last two even though we have been told he will get swamped by Ferrari mighty power, unfortunately his opponents can't accept being passed so the play dirty by ramming him off track