2019 Aston Martin Red Bull Racing - Honda F1 Team

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Max is always driving on the edge.
He tends to win in the corners as much as possible and as fast as possible. The question is: why is he doing that way? Either he knows that he will not be able to fight on a straight...
Or he is just so impatient...

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GhostF1 wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 05:20
Marti_EF3 wrote:
27 Oct 2019, 23:04
Shame that Sainz battled Albon with a nonsense agressive way, maybe he could've ended near the top guys. At least it was a solid race for him. Max recovery was great, just to show him that he could win the race only with more calm moves... #-o
A one stop for Albon with a slightly longer first stint could of had him right up there. The hard proved to work quite well with Max. He started losing pace after 50-55 laps on it. When ALbon did get on the hards, he had great pace, right up there with the big boys, so he could of had a neat shot with a well timed one stop to the hards instead of a two stop med>med>hard
I agree, they could have still went Medium-Hard-Medium if they had to. Red Bull strategists need to get their act together. They ought to be testing and bringing more Hard compounds as well.

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the stop also was one lap too early. Losing 5s behind Sainz was really unnecessary, and destroyed any chance of an undercut anyway.

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Redbull desperately needs a driver who could deliver the goods when Max is not in his day . I thought Alonso was a crazy idea maybe not one of the Ferrari drivers could be an option if they is no harmony there. Max has yet to prove he can be consistent through out a season 1st half of 2018 he was poor & 2nd half of 2019 he still making mistakes. Without changes Redbull will be forever the third best team and putting too much pressure on one guy to lead the team is too much burden

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Bill wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 10:31
Redbull desperately needs a driver who could deliver the goods when Max is not in his day . I thought Alonso was a crazy idea maybe not one of the Ferrari drivers could be an option if they is no harmony there. Max has yet to prove he can be consistent through out a season 1st half of 2018 he was poor & 2nd half of 2019 he still making mistakes. Without changes Redbull will be forever the third best team and putting too much pressure on one guy to lead the team is too much burden
If not for the strategy, Albon was right there. They don't need to search more. He is on his rookie season, and is delivering good results so far. Next season will be even better for sure.

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Albon was 0.6 tenth slower than Max in quali that's a lot in f1 you can fit a lot cars in that if he was in the midfield, he was o.5 slower in the race too. Albon have been leaving on scraps left by Guys in the top teams he is basically doing what Gasly was doing but Rbr pr have convinced everyone they have found the one.At least with Gasly he fought Vettel in silverstone obvious not enough but you always felt if you could give him the car he liked he could be a star, with Albon you fell he just another Bottas,solid consistent but nothing to get exited about. Gasly was trying too hard like Max today and that bring undue pressure.

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So I too was / am very disappointed by this weekend. And clearly in qualy not lifting under yellow was a big mistake. But even here now multi people come and bash Max for overly aggressive driving during the entire second half of the season. Well. Last race (Japan) it was clearly Leclerc going out of his way to take Max out (or "had understeer" as you will), Max left ample space. How was that overly aggressive. Here (Mexico) Max also did not squeeze Hamilton coming into turn1, he left him his line (unlike Vettel who pushed Hamilton off on the straight) and then in turn 2 Hamilton repays Max for NOT being overly aggressive by pushing him way off the track and in to the grass. And then post race they come with press conferences (both Vettel and Hamilton) and call max the aggressive one. Hamilton knew Max was the most viable competitor here (he said so in his post qualy PC) and he took him out in corner 2, just like Leclerc did last race.

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Actuallu Max lost his advantage at turn one. He stopped earlier than Ham and tried not to loose possition in turn 2. We all saw the end result. But all started with this yeallow flag...What a stupid mistake it was and I believe he saw yellows and didnt slow down on purpose....

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Max is not in his prime not even close its around 25 yo he will enter his prime so errors should be expected but he is an ace..patience.
hope COTA will be kind on him the man didn't catch a breath since SPA.
para bellum.

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loner wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 14:30
Max is not in his prime not even close its around 25 yo he will enter his prime so errors should be expected but he is an ace..patience.
hope COTA will be kind on him the man didn't catch a breath since SPA.
I don't subscribe to that prime at 25yo theory. Don't forget, this is his 5th season in F1 already.

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rscsr wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 14:35
loner wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 14:30
Max is not in his prime not even close its around 25 yo he will enter his prime so errors should be expected but he is an ace..patience.
hope COTA will be kind on him the man didn't catch a breath since SPA.
I don't subscribe to that prime at 25yo theory. Don't forget, this is his 5th season in F1 already.
its a mental maturity business you should see his face leaving Suzuka in the chopper he has mental stress and Jos don't make things easier for him either.
para bellum.

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auv wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 08:54
Max is always driving on the edge.
He tends to win in the corners as much as possible and as fast as possible. The question is: why is he doing that way? Either he knows that he will not be able to fight on a straight...
Or he is just so impatient...
He likes contact. Thinks the sport needs more of it. Problem is many of the other drivers don't believe that and they deal with him differently than how they do with others. So drivers like him and Mag are on a island where they are often involved in these contracts. As I said before, those contacts often end up in tears.

Max is lucky there is this big spread in speed between the top 3 and the midfield cause if it was like at the end of the V8 era where there was a .5 sec spread from 1st to 10th in quali, he'd find it much harder to climb back into the points.

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Something a commentator mentioned yesterday which is food for thought. Since Alex and Max have been together-

........Spa...Ita...Sing..Rus....Jap..Mex
Alix....10....8.....8.....10.....12...10 = 48
Max....0.....4.....15....12.....0.....8 = 39
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Big Tea wrote:
28 Oct 2019, 15:08
Something a commentator mentioned yesterday which is food for thought. Since Alex and Max have been together-

........Spa...Ita...Sing..Rus....Jap..Mex
Alix....10....8.....8.....10.....12...10 = 48
Max....0.....4.....15....12.....0.....8 = 39
Yep, that says it all!

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