In this list you have to take into account that Alex still had to get to know the circuits and therefore took it easy. That was possible because no one was driving close infront/behind him. He didn't have to compete with any driver before or after him.
It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.diffuser wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 14:38He likes contact. Thinks the sport needs more of it. Problem is many of the other drivers don't believe that and they deal with him differently than how they do with others. So drivers like him and Mag are on a island where they are often involved in these contracts. As I said before, those contacts often end up in tears.
Max is lucky there is this big spread in speed between the top 3 and the midfield cause if it was like at the end of the V8 era where there was a .5 sec spread from 1st to 10th in quali, he'd find it much harder to climb back into the points.
You also need to consider that Alex is in his first year of F1 and is driving a car that he hadn't thoroughly tested, with the baggage of knowing the fate of the previous RB driver and with the pressure of trying to prove himself against one of the strongest drivers on the grid. Every mistake he makes would count against him. His single most important goal is to ensure he brings the car home with no less than 6th place and bags the contract for next year and then take all the risks he needs next season. So far, he is seems to be on track.Wouter wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:36In this list you have to take into account that Alex still had to get to know the circuits and therefore took it easy. That was possible because no one was driving close infront/behind him. He didn't have to compete with any driver before or after him.
Max, on the other hand, tried to drive himself to the podium and had to fight with the top drivers.
Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:42It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.
It was right there Lewis took the win. And he was aware who was his main competitor for the win here (listen to his post qualy PC).
Max did not squeeze Lewis to the left and Lewis braked very deep (was behind Max before that) leaving Max not very much place to avoid that kerb). But you cut that off the movie.GPR -A wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:53Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:42It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.
It was right there Lewis took the win. And he was aware who was his main competitor for the win here (listen to his post qualy PC).
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Nope check the On board, Max deliberately hits Hamilton. He purposely spun the wheel to the left then back to the right almost a full turn. That's the way he rolls.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:59Max did not squeeze Lewis to the left and Lewis braked very deep (was behind Max before that) leaving Max not very much place to avoid that kerb). But you cut that off the movie.GPR -A wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:53Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:42It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.
It was right there Lewis took the win. And he was aware who was his main competitor for the win here (listen to his post qualy PC).
https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
Watch closely.GPR -A wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:53Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:42It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.
It was right there Lewis took the win. And he was aware who was his main competitor for the win here (listen to his post qualy PC).
https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
Lewis clearly left enough room at the apex on turn one, because Max was already in the space due to braking earlier then Lewis. Max then had to correct his steering when he felt himself losing traction pulling out of turn one heading for turn two or he deliberately tried to crowd or intimidate Lewis by turning left. This caused him to collide with Lewis which in turn caused Lewis's rear to swing out which Lewis corrected. The second collision was as a direct result of this correction and was unavoidable at that moment.
" Jesus:- Mathew 26:52he who lives by the sword must be prepared to die by the sword
Hamilton was at least a foot off, no way did he touch him first.restless wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 16:32Watch closely.GPR -A wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:53Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:42It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.
It was right there Lewis took the win. And he was aware who was his main competitor for the win here (listen to his post qualy PC).
https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
First contact is Hamilton front-right tyre to Max chassis, then Max left-rear touched Hamilton chassis
I must say I am struggling to see your viewpoint. I am not biased to any driver, maybe even tilting to being a Max fan but no way can I even sit on your side of the fence for longer than 2 seconds.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:59Max did not squeeze Lewis to the left and Lewis braked very deep (was behind Max before that) leaving Max not very much place to avoid that kerb). But you cut that off the movie.GPR -A wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:53Hope it would be clear now. Max lost his rear bumping out of the curb, touched and damaged Lewis' floor, the impact of which forced Lewis' front to swing and touch Max.Sieper wrote: ↑28 Oct 2019, 15:42It was Lewis who made the touch here. Max was in front before turn 1 (and was polite enough not to move to the left, he AVOIDED contact) before the braking zone commenced (something Vettel f.e. did not do, he forced lewis off track on the straight towards turn 1 (so also Vettel LIKES contact then)) and then in turn 2 Lewis forced Max off the track, he went so far in making sure that happened that he even went on the grass himself. Perhaps this was unavoidable as he braked so deep before turn 1 but to me it seems like you have the person who likes the contact the wrong way around here.
It was right there Lewis took the win. And he was aware who was his main competitor for the win here (listen to his post qualy PC).
https://i.imgur.com/akUWpZ5.gif
